[Unimatrix0]

Well 13500 miles Pirellis are close to being gone.
Never used the launch control or drive like a maniac.
(Rear wheel drive Competition)
Then again South Florida always (Almost always) nice and warm.
Got the Michelins star rated from TireRack, will be installed next week...
Let's see what the difference is.
Curious sins almost all of you "Swear" by the Michelins.

$1795.04 taxes in.
Install by a Mobile service @ $219

[kjx]

Lost the tire lottery in Dec 2021.

The wheels were immediately swapped to DWS tires for Winter.

Summer had Michelin PS4S on 963M wheels.

The Pirellis from 2021 are still sitting in a bedroom. Car’s at 23K miles, the PS4S will likely last one more summer. DWS maybe this winter and one more (we’ll see).

PS4S sucks for standing water after the first few mm. And it sucks in the wet below 60 degrees when at 6-7 mm. I wouldn’t drive it in anything but absolute dry and warm conditions at or below 5 mm. I will probably discard them at 4 mm with a burn out or two.

Have no real experience with the Pirellis but ready to put them on before they age too much because they’ll only maybe go on in the car’s 5 year (summer of 2026). I could put them on in 2025 but TBD.

[FrozenGT]

Originally Posted by kjx

Lost the tire lottery in Dec 2021.

The wheels were immediately swapped to DWS tires for Winter.

Summer had Michelin PS4S on 963M wheels.

The Pirellis from 2021 are still sitting in a bedroom. Car’s at 23K miles, the PS4S will likely last one more summer. DWS maybe this winter and one more (we’ll see).

PS4S sucks for standing water after the first few mm. And it sucks in the wet below 60 degrees when at 6-7 mm. I wouldn’t drive it in anything but absolute dry and warm conditions at or below 5 mm. I will probably discard them at 4 mm with a burn out or two.

Have no real experience with the Pirellis but ready to put them on before they age too much because they’ll only maybe go on in the car’s 5 year (summer of 2026). I could put them on in 2025 but TBD.

Lol

That’s funny my PS4S on my 2020 F82 M4. I was able to drive in the rain no issues with the rear at almost bald so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

[kjx]

Originally Posted by FrozenGT

Lol

That’s funny my PS4S on my 2020 F82 M4. I was able to drive in the rain no issues with the rear at almost bald so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

I'd have to guess I drive my cars much harder, more regularly (daily) than you then, and notice the difference between tires, between tread depths on the same tires, and tire pressures at various tread depths.

Beyond that an F82 would be dangerous for me to drive like I do the G82 - all 4 tires slipping on acceleration, cornering hard with the front axle pulling me out at the limits, etc. I specifically got the G82 M xDrive because I once nearly spun-out a 435i GC RWD on Pilot Super Sport summer tires in a high-speed, sweeping on-ramp because of less grip at the rear in early wet, winter (got winter tires asap, for the first time, then). Also did many high-performance driver training classes since then too.

The PS4S even at its best does not cut through standing water like the DWS - I can slice through deeper standing water on the highway at 70-80 mph in the DWS, while the PS4S will aquaplane at >35 mph (same spot) and if one side of the car hits the water first it will try to jerk the steering wheel and unsettle the car. I've occasionally seen cars in accidents in that area and know I'm able to pull away even more from other traffic in that type of area because of others having to slow down.

The way I know it's time to change from winter to summer tires is when the winter tires start squealing loudly & squirming when I corner through intersections and lock up on hard braking coming to lights off a highway. I brake late as a preference when safely possible, not as a necessity.

There is a big difference between being able to manage with a set of tires and having them give you everything they are capable of. The PS4S does not degrade its abilities linearly as it wears. A 6 mm tire behaves very differently from a 9 mm tire and very, very differently from a 4 mm tire if you're pushing it to their achievable limits all the time in every weather condition.

Overall, I notice the differences in achievable limits and given the whole point of the car is performance, I'm not into having the abilities of the car stunted by the tires it has on - so M xDrive + (best tires + best tread depth + best tire pressures) for seasonal conditions. Technically I could be doing Cup 2s in peak summer but then I may have to run 3 sets of tires a year (something in between summer and winter, when wet and cooler).

Interestingly a PS4S at 5-7 mm feels much better than at 9 mm in rapid, snappy cornering changes because it feels more direct instead of having this squirmy feel (like a rubberband right as the cornering starts and it ends). Higher tire pressures only help with that so much.

[FrozenGT]

Originally Posted by kjx

I'd have to guess I drive my cars much harder, more regularly (daily) than you then, and notice the difference between tires, between tread depths on the same tires, and tire pressures at various tread depths.

Beyond that an F82 would be dangerous for me to drive like I do the G82 - all 4 tires slipping on acceleration, cornering hard with the front axle pulling me out at the limits, etc. I specifically got the G82 M xDrive because I once nearly spun-out a 435i GC RWD on Pilot Super Sport summer tires in a high-speed, sweeping on-ramp because of less grip at the rear in early wet, winter (got winter tires asap, for the first time, then). Also did many high-performance driver training classes since then too.

The PS4S even at its best does not cut through standing water like the DWS - I can slice through deeper standing water on the highway at 70-80 mph in the DWS, while the PS4S will aquaplane at >35 mph (same spot) and if one side of the car hits the water first it will try to jerk the steering wheel and unsettle the car. I've occasionally seen cars in accidents in that area and know I'm able to pull away even more from other traffic in that type of area because of others having to slow down.

The way I know it's time to change from winter to summer tires is when the winter tires start squealing loudly & squirming when I corner through intersections and lock up on hard braking coming to lights off a highway. I brake late as a preference when safely possible, not as a necessity.

There is a big difference between being able to manage with a [...]

Bro, you’re supposed to slow down when you see massive puddles of water lol. Any tire can hydroplane.. I think maybe it’s more of learning throttle control. I mean there’s just too many people who have stated the PS4S are the best in the rain and I have taken those tires to the limits in the rain and they have tons of grip, so I’m 🤔

But purchase tires that keeps you safe that’s the main thing

[silvermanor]

The tire lottery nonsense is among the dumbest things that one can read on this site.

[FrozenGT]

Originally Posted by silvermanor

The tire lottery nonsense is among the dumbest things that one can read on this site.

Lol… 👍