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      12-25-2021, 08:38 PM   #1
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I wouldn't consider a Model 3 Perf even if it eventually managed to be faster than an M xDrive car. For all the reasons that have been hashed before (handling, build quality, etc), but also because it's safer to drive a louder car.

People pay attention when they hear a louder car approaching from behind and don't do unexpected lane changes. And often get out of the way too.

Pull up in a Model 3 and you might as well have appeared out of nowhere.
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Tesla Model 3 has its fair share of fans. Yet for all the reasons mentioned earlier, an iPad with electric motors in an environment where presence of a human driver is an afterthought compels the rest of us to look elsewhere for an EV. Regardless of how quickly one can reach the next Starbucks and get a refill.
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I'd take the M3P here.
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I wouldn't consider a Model 3 Perf even if it eventually managed to be faster than an M xDrive car. For all the reasons that have been hashed before (handling, build quality, etc), but also because it's safer to drive a louder car.

People pay attention when they hear a louder car approaching from behind and don't do unexpected lane changes. And often get out of the way too.

Pull up in a Model 3 and you might as well have appeared out of nowhere.
I had my model 3 performance for 1 month before I said "fuck this thing" and put in an order for my AWD M3. You are right, no one really hears you when you pull up which is sketchy. All juice basically dies around 60-70 mph, so the thrill of the car only exists from a standstill. But the sketchiest part of the car is that it is basically run by a tablet which has reliability of a budget Amazon firepad rather than a polished, meticulously tested iPad. When that sucker blacks out, which it has for me several times, you basically have no idea what's going on in your car and you're driving blind. Electric is certainly the future, but Tesla sure as hell ain't there yet.
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M3 looks so bad ass in comparison to the electric golf cart here. Wide bulging muscles, quad exhausts, raucous noise.

I'll take all that over an iPad on wheels whose balls never dropped.
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M3 looks so bad ass in comparison to the electric golf cart here. Wide bulging muscles, quad exhausts, raucous noise.

I'll take all that over an iPad on wheels whose balls never dropped.
Hey man. Is it possible if you can post your m3/4 render with 2gc grills? That thing was a beauty and that's the design we deserve
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M3 looks so bad ass in comparison to the electric golf cart here. Wide bulging muscles, quad exhausts, raucous noise.

I'll take all that over an iPad on wheels whose balls never dropped.
Hey man. Is it possible if you can post your m3/4 render with 2gc grills? That thing was a beauty and that's the design we deserve
Never gonna happen man, after a few years everyone will get rid of their old style front end cars and buy into the new Uber cool looking beaver teeth… 😜 Same thing happened with Audi!
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I wouldn't consider a Model 3 Perf even if it eventually managed to be faster than an M xDrive car. For all the reasons that have been hashed before (handling, build quality, etc), but also because it's safer to drive a louder car.

People pay attention when they hear a louder car approaching from behind and don't do unexpected lane changes. And often get out of the way too.

Pull up in a Model 3 and you might as well have appeared out of nowhere.
Yes, I think everyone on the highway can hear your ASD from a mile away.
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I wouldn't consider a Model 3 Perf even if it eventually managed to be faster than an M xDrive car. For all the reasons that have been hashed before (handling, build quality, etc), but also because it's safer to drive a louder car.

People pay attention when they hear a louder car approaching from behind and don't do unexpected lane changes. And often get out of the way too.

Pull up in a Model 3 and you might as well have appeared out of nowhere.
This is not a problem with EVs, this is you driving recklessnessly on public roads. Take it to a track where people are actually racing you and not taking their kids to school.
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I wouldn't consider a Model 3 Perf even if it eventually managed to be faster than an M xDrive car. For all the reasons that have been hashed before (handling, build quality, etc), but also because it's safer to drive a louder car.

People pay attention when they hear a louder car approaching from behind and don't do unexpected lane changes. And often get out of the way too.

Pull up in a Model 3 and you might as well have appeared out of nowhere.
This is not a problem with EVs, this is you driving recklessnessly on public roads. Take it to a track where people are actually racing you and not taking their kids to school.
Tries to offend poster.
Says "recklessnessly".

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At this point Elon should hostile takeover BMW or MB or both then suck all the know how out of them.
Nah. Apple should buy Tesla, BMW and Coca-Cola and come out with a next generation pourable, carbonated, large-nostril iWatch on wheels.
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This is not a problem with EVs, this is you driving recklessnessly on public roads. Take it to a track where people are actually racing you and not taking their kids to school.
Did my dismissal of the Model 3 (and its Perf variant) rub you the wrong way?

By extension of your logic, electric cars shouldn't have that artificial noise at low speeds then because surely pedestrians can't be absent-minded right? It's those reckless electric car owners that need nannies. /s

Noise that catches people's attention and causes them to be alert = good for safety. Even with zero recklessness (on the part of the car generating the noise) in the picture.
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At this point Elon should hostile takeover BMW or MB or both then suck all the know how out of them.
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I am curious guys, but do most Tesla buyers even know what an M3 is or care? or did any of the M3 owners really cross shop a Tesla and an M3?

maybe it's just me but I honestly don't see the point of hundreds of 0-60 YouTube clips and the fascination with them on the internet forums. What do we learn from these really besides gifting clicks to the video poster ? I have had 3 M cars and never cared what the 0-60 was....
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I have both the Model 3 Performance and the M3. Both have their advantages. I know this is a BMW enthusiast forum so The Tesla will take the hit here. I for one love driving both of them.
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I am curious guys, but do most Tesla buyers even know what an M3 is or care? or did any of the M3 owners really cross shop a Tesla and an M3?

maybe it's just me but I honestly don't see the point of hundreds of 0-60 YouTube clips and the fascination with them on the internet forums. What do we learn from these really besides gifting clicks to the video poster ? I have had 3 M cars and never cared what the 0-60 was....
I have an M2C and have a pre-order down for an M3P (keeping the M2 for fun/track).

So yes, there are, but mostly out of curiosity. The reality is the M3/4 xDrive with the spec I would want is significantly more expensive then a M3P (add to that the cost of fuel). So while I find the videos interesting, they aren't really in the same price bracket anyway. That makes the comparison even more interesting in some respect that the M3P has the performance it does for the price it is.

They warrant comparison because they achieve a similar goal (fast and practical/family car), 'ready' (with changes) to have some fun on track, almost the same price bracket etc. Elon mask even made his statement on how MP3 was better than an M3 (last gen), so comparisons are investable moving forward.

While I would say the M3/M4 is perhaps the objectively better car, the Tesla is a better suited daily driver for me. No doubt others feel the same so like me are intrigued by the comparisons.
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This is not a problem with EVs, this is you driving recklessnessly on public roads. Take it to a track where people are actually racing you and not taking their kids to school.
Did my dismissal of the Model 3 (and its Perf variant) rub you the wrong way?

By extension of your logic, electric cars shouldn't have that artificial noise at low speeds then because surely pedestrians can't be absent-minded right? It's those reckless electric car owners that need nannies. /s

Noise that catches people's attention and causes them to be alert = good for safety. Even with zero recklessness (on the part of the car generating the noise) in the picture.
I think his point was based on your statement "People pay attention when they hear a louder car approaching from behind and don't do unexpected lane changes. And often get out of the way too."

That just reads to me "I drive like a **** on public roads and scream up behind people but with a loud car they get out of my way". I could be wrong, but there are quite a few people like that on the road that give BMW drivers a bad name. That's what the track is for
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Hi, i have a 2022 model 3 performance and a 2021 x4m, tesla has no competitor for its price and does lots of thing way better . Till bmw does a proper electric( not the i40 50m) i wont buy any Bmw cars anymore ( after 20 years of Bmw). I already got on the list for a model Y performance to replace the x4m.
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I wouldn't consider a Model 3 Perf even if it eventually managed to be faster than an M xDrive car. For all the reasons that have been hashed before (handling, build quality, etc), but also because it's safer to drive a louder car.

People pay attention when they hear a louder car approaching from behind and don't do unexpected lane changes. And often get out of the way too.

Pull up in a Model 3 and you might as well have appeared out of nowhere.
Yes, I think everyone on the highway can hear your ASD from a mile away.
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This is not a problem with EVs, this is you driving recklessnessly on public roads. Take it to a track where people are actually racing you and not taking their kids to school.
Did my dismissal of the Model 3 (and its Perf variant) rub you the wrong way?

By extension of your logic, electric cars shouldn't have that artificial noise at low speeds then because surely pedestrians can't be absent-minded right? It's those reckless electric car owners that need nannies. /s

Noise that catches people's attention and causes them to be alert = good for safety. Even with zero recklessness (on the part of the car generating the noise) in the picture.
I think his point was based on your statement "People pay attention when they hear a louder car approaching from behind and don't do unexpected lane changes. And often get out of the way too."

That just reads to me "I drive like a **** on public roads and scream up behind people but with a loud car they get out of my way". I could be wrong, but there are quite a few people like that on the road that give BMW drivers a bad name. That's what the track is for
Sounds like a 17 kid.

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I've owned 3 M cars and can confirm no one gets out of the way thinking "damn that guys so cool I'd better move over"

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This is not a problem with EVs, this is you driving recklessnessly on public roads. Take it to a track where people are actually racing you and not taking their kids to school.
Did my dismissal of the Model 3 (and its Perf variant) rub you the wrong way?

By extension of your logic, electric cars shouldn't have that artificial noise at low speeds then because surely pedestrians can't be absent-minded right? It's those reckless electric car owners that need nannies. /s

Noise that catches people's attention and causes them to be alert = good for safety. Even with zero recklessness (on the part of the car generating the noise) in the picture.
I think his point was based on your statement "People pay attention when they hear a louder car approaching from behind and don't do unexpected lane changes. And often get out of the way too."

That just reads to me "I drive like a **** on public roads and scream up behind people but with a loud car they get out of my way". I could be wrong, but there are quite a few people like that on the road that give BMW drivers a bad name. That's what the track is for
Sounds like a 17 kid.

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I've owned 3 M cars and can confirm no one gets out of the way thinking "damn that guys so cool I'd better move over"

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