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I think "ooh but it's controversial" is a bit of a cop-out used by buyers with confirmation bias. I don't think there has ever been an M3/4 design so universally hated. I know some don't want to admit it, but it's bad. Objectively bad from a design standpoint, subjectively bad from vast agreement from fans and onlookers. Nobody has ever said these look good. Dealership feedback where I live has been fairly negative.
I would say the car looks substantially worse in bright colours. Black actually isn't bad and works with the grille. Otherwise yes this car is way too big. It really could be a 6 now that we have the 8. As for the mechanical elements yeah it seems stellar and the ride has been universally praised which is a nice move away from WTF level stiff ride from previous M cars. The engine is amazing as well. Ugh.. YES. Don't remind me. What a heartbreaker. I would be driving one now if that were the case. Agree completely though. As I recall, Alfa was slated to release it... then it went into crash testing and the clutch pedal severed the dummy's leg. Rather than rework it, they just binned that option.
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Yup this exactly, it is for sure softer than F8X but F8X is on the relative extreme end of stiff street cars so a marginal improvement to that may not result in the ride that a lot of reviewers are gushing about. I agree with you though that there does have to be some expectation by the buyer that this is a very sporty car and will have a ride to match, anyone who thinks otherwise is in for a rude awakening
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I was convinced I wouldn't watch this review because I knew he would harp on the design for a long time. Thank God for Zack for giving positive and objective feedback
I am a longtime TST fan but sometimes I take Matt's opinion for what it's worth. Once he makes up his mind about something almost impossible to change his mind. He was extremely critical of the 2C but it turned out to be a fantastic car. I also get annoyed how often he cuts off guests/co-drivers both on his podcast and video reviews.
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I know if I met a new G80 owner in person, I'm not going to call the car ugly despite my true opinion. That's just rude. I'll compliment the interior and how fast it is etc. I think new owners have to come to the realization that the grill is polarizing, and there are people out there who think it's ugly. It shouldn't bother them, but at the same time, that's what people think. Embrace it. I have with my i3... people think it's ugly and that's fine. I'm not going to tell people they are wrong though, that would be delusional.
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^ It is certainly an unconventional design. I also find the M4 to be the worse offender. It is the first time BMW designs any grill in a car (non-SUV) vertically.
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If I didn't have an E39 M5, I would be strongly considering the G80...grill and all.
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Not a very favorable review for the G82 but they're looking at it through an E92 and F82 lens. This is not those cars! People need to let go that the M3 is dead, long live the new M3. Wait for G87 M2 if a smaller car is desired. They also butcher the price specs at the end. Not sure if those option prices were given to them by BMW or what but multiple misquoted prices and options and that is a fully overloaded $100k car with all the junk included.
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How in the hell are you going to say the car is dynamically better than an F80 and in the same breath say that it's like a mini M5? By that logic the F80 handles the same as an M5. The logical breakdown in what you're saying is stunning to me. |
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I only have like 69 miles on it but so far I have enjoyed it this is my first BMW and my first M car, iv been driving Mopars my whole life till now so nothing but HEMIs from the 5.7 to the 6.2 hellcat and even the demon for a minute and I have to say I'm enjoying it so far I haven't left comfort mode yet its definitely not a HEMI but I like it
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Now this is purely my subjective opinion but the sedan looks better than the coupe with the exception of the E36 and E92. Better lines, more pronounced fenders, wider stance, more practicality, better proportions, same performance. I've seen both G's in person and the gap has widened for me. If I'm going that big, I might as well get an 8 series otherwise I want 4 doors.
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They should be comparing it to RS5, C63, Giulia, and Model 3P...not prior M3s. This is basically a new model compared to the historic M3 badge and the M2 is the new M3. Grumpsters will grump about this and that compared to history but the context has shifted. |
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