[Tremblay13]

Nice primer on how the xDrive system works, for those who want to geek out.

[boostm3]

3.1 sec to 60.

[M3LISSA]

REAR ONLY!!! Suck it up !!

[Sunnystone]

Originally Posted by boostm3

3.1 sec to 60.

Seriously hard to argue against AWD.

[zambarossa]

Originally Posted by Sunnystone

Seriously hard to argue against AWD.

Just 1 argument: NO 6MT :-(

[GregM4]

Originally Posted by 4DRS55

Seems like many are ordering AWD now that it’s available. How many have ordered RWD now both are available?

I have a GMC AT4 2500 for the winter months, also have manual F80 and 718 GT4 for the weekend. I want something that I can drive to work, and possibly track once in a while, I guess this would be a “daily”. I’m afraid that getting AWD I will loose a bit of the experience especially with RWD allowing a little MDM slippage on cornering. To my knowledge in order to have the AWD in RWD mode you need to turn off all nannies and do not have MDM.

Haven’t seen or heard of any track reviews between the two.
Really curious to see what people are saying on track for the AWD.

Originally Posted by 4DRS55

Seems like many are ordering AWD now that it’s available. How many have ordered RWD now both are available?

I have a GMC AT4 2500 for the winter months, also have manual F80 and 718 GT4 for the weekend. I want something that I can drive to work, and possibly track once in a while, I guess this would be a “daily”. I’m afraid that getting AWD I will loose a bit of the experience especially with RWD allowing a little MDM slippage on cornering. To my knowledge in order to have the AWD in RWD mode you need to turn off all nannies and do not have MDM.

Haven’t seen or heard of any track reviews between the two.
Really curious to see what people are saying on track for the AWD.

I live in a warm climate although have lots of tropical rain in the season so aquaplaining can be a real issue with this amount of power. AWD all the way which is why I chose it.

[RockinPA]

Don't choose. Have both. So, xdrive.

AWD when you want.

RWD when you want.

[ole85]

No brainer

[LordCaldlow]

Originally Posted by RockinPA

Don't choose. Have both. So, xdrive.

AWD when you want.

RWD when you want.

^ This, it was a no brainer when making my build. Especially given that the system has been proven on the M5.

[NightWriter]

Originally Posted by GregM4

I live in a warm climate although have lots of tropical rain in the season so aquaplaining can be a real issue with this amount of power. AWD all the way which is why I chose it.

Not to be didactic, but AWD is as useless for hydroplaning as it is for braking or cornering on snow and ice. Yes, AWD can help accelerate when traction is low, but it can't overcome physics.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by NightWriter

Not to be didactic, but AWD is as useless for hydroplaning as it is for braking or cornering on snow and ice. Yes, AWD can help accelerate when traction is low, but it can't overcome physics.

Thank you!

Reminds me of my friend who had Crap tires on his Jeep Grand Cherokee and complained the AWD system was not working.

Years later Turned around and bought the V8 X5 and never drove over 100MPH.

I told him he wasted his money and should of purchased a Nissan Rogue

Clout chaser

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Tremblay13

Nice primer on how the xDrive system works, for those who want to geek out.

Thanks for posting that. I like that dude. I wish I could buy him a beer or a coffee.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by NightWriter

Not to be didactic, but AWD is as useless for hydroplaning as it is for braking or cornering on snow and ice. Yes, AWD can help accelerate when traction is low, but it can't overcome physics.

Having grown up in Maine I can tell you firsthand all-wheel-drive is remarkably superior to rear wheel drive in the snow and ice as is front wheel drive. In fact all wheel drive is kind of boring in the snow because you can’t do donuts or anything fun in open parking lots. That’s why everyone in Maine drives Volvos or Subarus or other boring, safe all wheel drive vehicles. Lol

However I live in Florida now and I bought all wheel drive because of the quickness differences. It’s pretty significant.

[NightWriter]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Having grown up in Maine I can tell you firsthand all-wheel-drive is remarkably superior to rear wheel drive in the snow and ice as is front wheel drive. In fact all wheel drive is kind of boring in the snow because you can’t do donuts or anything fun in open parking lots. That’s why everyone in Maine drives Volvos or Subarus or other boring, safe all wheel drive vehicles. Lol

However I live in Florida now and I bought all wheel drive because of the quickness differences. It’s pretty significant.

I grew up learning to drive in New England as well, and I never stated AWD doesn't help in the snow. Nor do I dispute that AWD helps getting power down more efficiently for launching high-powered cars; that's pretty obvious.

What I said was that AWD does not help with braking or cornering or hydroplaning, since those are all limited by how much traction your tires are getting with the road and are not influenced by additional torque.

[kjx]

Originally Posted by NightWriter

What I said was that AWD does not help with braking or cornering or hydroplaning, since those are all limited by how much traction your tires are getting with the road and are not influenced by additional torque.

AWD does not help with braking for sure.

But it absolutely helps with cornering. Why? Because when your car oversteers in a corner it's because it doesn't have enough traction at the rear for lateral grip while also catering to the acceleration being asked for. However you have more than necessary traction available at the front (especially with a heavy engine on top) - this unutilized traction can cover more acceleration. And "pull you out of the corner" like many reviewers describe instead of leaving your rear end in a ditch. Why do you think "torque vectoring" is such a huge deal on cars like the Rimac Nevera?

And it helps with hydroplaning too. Why? Because when non drive wheels suddenly hit water, they act like they are braking. When the best thing for them to do would be to spin at exactly the same rate (or slightly higher) as they would have on a dry surface and cut through the water with that motion. Have you ever wondered why you feel hydroplaning less on the drive wheels vs non-drive wheels on a relative basis (FWD or RWD)?

I have both an AWD vehicle and a RWD vehicle and these effects are easily apparent when you drive hard on wet corners and through standing water on highways at speed. The depth and pattern of your tire tread matters a huge amount for hydroplaning too - there is a noticeable difference between 9mm of tread and 6mm of tread. While they say 2mm is the minimum safe, I dump tires if needed at 4mm (in fall) since they don't meet my needs anymore.

[Mar48]

Originally Posted by RockinPA

Don't choose. Have both. So, xdrive.

AWD when you want.

RWD when you want.

Exactly!!! The top end is hardly noticeable given the 50 KG weight penalty for AWD… so you’re effectively getting both options in one… I plan to have my car in rwd most months of warm weather and awd when cold… win win

The ONLY argument IMO for RWD is to have a manual

[Sunnystone]

Originally Posted by zambarossa

Just 1 argument: NO 6MT :-(

Aaah yes, perhaps that!

[Sunnystone]

Originally Posted by Mar48

Exactly!!! The top end is hardly noticeable given the 50 KG weight penalty for AWD… so you’re effectively getting both options in one… I plan to have my car in rwd most months of warm weather and awd when cold… win win

The ONLY argument IMO for RWD is to have a manual

Yeah I really dont think weight is an argument or an issue, its negligible tbh. AWD would seem to kick some ass pretty hard.

*Gets into his RWD and tries to forget all about an AWD version of his new beloved G80 M3C*

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by kjx

AWD does not help with braking for sure.

But it absolutely helps with cornering. Why? Because when your car oversteers in a corner it's because it doesn't have enough traction at the rear for lateral grip while also catering to the acceleration being asked for. However you have more than necessary traction available at the front (especially with a heavy engine on top) - this unutilized traction can cover more acceleration. And "pull you out of the corner" like many reviewers describe instead of leaving your rear end in a ditch. Why do you think "torque vectoring" is such a huge deal on cars like the Rimac Nevera?

And it helps with hydroplaning too. Why? Because when non drive wheels suddenly hit water, they act like they are braking. When the best thing for them to do would be to spin at exactly the same rate (or slightly higher) as they would have on a dry surface and cut through the water with that motion. Have you ever wondered why you feel hydroplaning less on the drive wheels vs non-drive wheels on a relative basis (FWD or RWD)?

I have both an AWD vehicle and a RWD vehicle and these effects are easily apparent when you drive hard on wet corners and through standing water on highways at speed. The depth and pattern of your tire tread matters a huge amount for hydroplaning too - there is a noticeable difference between 9mm of tread and 6mm of tread. While they say 2mm is the minimum safe, I dump tires if needed at 4mm (in fall) since they don't meet my needs anymore.

#1 driver experience
#2 tires


Good grief

Torque vectoring flux capacitor cornering g forces

"I'm sure AWD is gonna help a lot of magazine racers"

They will definitely be the ones at the stop light trying to justify the AWD.

I just read on the Internet I can take this corner faster cause I have AWD

99% of the people who get AWD will never have a stop light race. Never go full @$$ hat around a dangerous corner.

6MT for the WIN

Someone please start a poll

AWD helped me ______………

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by 2011ninja

#1 driver experience
#2 tires


Good grief

Torque vectoring flux capacitor cornering g forces

"I'm sure AWD is gonna help a lot of magazine racers"

They will definitely be the ones at the stop light trying to justify the AWD.

I just read on the Internet I can take this corner faster cause I have AWD

99% of the people who get AWD will never have a stop light race. Never go full @$$ hat around a dangerous corner.

6MT for the WIN

Someone please start a poll

AWD helped me ______………

You are trying way to hard. The AWD package can do everything the RWD package can (RWD Mode) an some things it can't in AWD. An MT is fun have 3 of them but just not as good as a 8ZF for pure performance.

No need to justify AWD something used in Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, McLaren & other exotics.

Before you continue to pat yourself on the back for being a 1%'R try driving a 488WHP 2200lb 5MT RWD, no nannies, no power steering, no power brakes, no ABS, Nitto NT-01 275X40X17 - 315X35X17 tired roadster. Just the driver in control of the pure car.

No point for a poll, M3/4 buyers are voting with their wallets.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

You are trying way to hard. The AWD package can do everything the RWD package can (RWD Mode) an some things it can't in AWD. An MT is fun have 3 of them but just not as good as a 8ZF for pure performance.

No need to justify something used in Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, McLaren & other exotics.

Before you continue to pat yourself on the back for being a 1%'R try driving a 488WHP 2200lb 5MT RWD, no nannies, no power steering, no power brakes, no ABS, Nitto NT-01 275X40X17 - 315X35X17 with just the driver in control of the pure car.

I'm not trying anything - my apologies

You seem well versed and knowledgeable about driving and cars.

My track experience is on race bikes on a track and those years are behind me now.

I don't have the energy to get into technology and rider driver ability and how much translates on to a track.

I now ride an r 1200 gs next season a new 1250 GS

I just like the fun of driving

Not ready for automatic and AWD just yet

[superbrew]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Having grown up in Maine I can tell you firsthand all-wheel-drive is remarkably superior to rear wheel drive in the snow and ice as is front wheel drive. In fact all wheel drive is kind of boring in the snow because you can’t do donuts or anything fun in open parking lots. That’s why everyone in Maine drives Volvos or Subarus or other boring, safe all wheel drive vehicles. Lol

However I live in Florida now and I bought all wheel drive because of the quickness differences. It’s pretty significant.

You can definitely do donuts and drift in an AWD car. Google AWD axial donuts and you will see. I will take AWD over RWD in an empty parking lot.