[Poochie]

Originally Posted by CptSL0W

Wondering how everyone feels about the iDrive 8 screens in the MY2023 cars. I really don't like the look of the 2 connected screens together and the fact that the physical buttons have been removed. I'm glad the iDrive knob is still present, but this just seems like a step backwards for an M car that should be more driver focused than tech focused. Can anyone talk me off the ledge here, I'm interested in ordering a MY 2023 and would like to get a base/manual. I just don't think it goes well with the large screens.

Rebuttal: Witness this 2021 Ferrari Roma with all capacitive touch controls, i.e. no physical buttons, even for the climate control (sounds familiar).

I'm not really sure about this but I believe Ferrari is known to make a high performance, 'driver focus' vehicle or two.. 😗

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[The_Transporter]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Rebuttal: Witness this 2021 Ferrari Roma with all capacitive touch controls, i.e. no physical buttons, even for the climate control (sounds familiar).

I'm not really sure about this but I believe Ferrari is known to make a high performance, 'driver focus' vehicle or two.. 😗

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Wow… that start "button" just NO…
Ferrari is of course one of the best if not the best and most quintessential sports car manufacturers hands down, but even the best get things wrong occasionally.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by The_Transporter

Wow… that start "button" just NO…
Ferrari is of course one of the best if not the best and most quintessential sports car manufacturers hands down, but even the best get things wrong occasionally.

Mercedes (including the Maybach), Audi, and Cadillac have the same setup (majority touch-based controls) in their newer model vehicles also..

Give it another three years or so, you'll run out of vehicle models to fault. For better or worst, this is new normal in automotive user interface.


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[FoxberryJam]

Originally Posted by vj123

Maybe the "N+1"th thread.

Looks like the Captain is really slow!

Originally Posted by vj123

Maybe the "N+1"th thread!

Well, this is a Mission Critical topic….

[The_Transporter]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Mercedes (including the Maybach), Audi, and Cadillac have the same setup (majority touch-based controls) in their newer model vehicles also..

Give it another three years, you'll run out of car models to fault. For better or worst, this is new normal in automotive user interface.


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I don't actually mind a majority of the controls being touch based but my start engine button that one I want to keep as an actual physical button or switch lol.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by The_Transporter

I don't actually mind a majority of the controls being touch based but my start engine button that one I want to keep as an actual physical button or switch lol.

Well then, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Volvo and Tesla are already removing the "Engine Start" button from some of their vehicles.

You just hop in and look for the green "Ready" indicator and then hit the accelerator pedal to go. I'm sure BMW is not far behind that bright idea.. 😕

[vj123]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Mercedes (including the Maybach), Audi, and Cadillac have the same setup (majority touch-based controls) in their newer model vehicles also..

Give it another three years or so, you'll run out of vehicle models to fault. For better or worst, this is new normal in automotive user interface.

This is from BMW's Interior design head.

Head of BMW i Interior Design Matthias Junghanns had plenty to say on the matter. "Is it the big screen that counts? I'm personally convinced that these black glass surfaces in the car interiors are... we will leave that behind, sooner or later," said Junghanns.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/bmw-po...on-the-way-out

[The_Transporter]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Well then, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Volvo and Tesla are already removing the "Engine Start" button from some of their vehicles.

You just hop in and look for the green "Ready" indicator and then hit the accelerator pedal to go. I'm sure BMW is not far behind that bright idea.. 😕

Haha yeah I hear ya. That said both of those brands are drastically different and mostly cater to a very different demographic than performance brands such as BMW, Mercedes and Audi. There is some cross comparison with Tesla as lots of people see the allure of fast EV's but that in itself does not make them a performance brand (yet). Also when was the last time you heard of someone cross shopping a M or an AMG and a S60 or S90? Most cars that people use for A to B transport most likely will transition to this and the people buying Hondas, Volvos, and Toyotas will be more than happy to have their cars turn on when they get close to them and do some to most of the driving for them, but again I hope performance brands don't try to mute the driving experience to quite that extent.

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Rebuttal: Witness this 2021 Ferrari Roma with all capacitive touch controls, i.e. no physical buttons, even for the climate control (sounds familiar).

I'm not really sure about this but I believe Ferrari is known to make a high performance, 'driver focus' vehicle or two.. 😗

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Ya and it's universally hated and the worst feature about modern Ferraris.

[Boomer 2019]

All 2023 models of the 3 Series including the M3 will be getting iDrive 8 with the hideous desktop monitor mounted on scaffolding. In the 2023 4 Series all ICE models including the M4 will be staying with the current screens and iDrive 7. The 2 electric models i4 and i4 M50 will get iDrive 8 with the screens. The change to iDrive 8 for the ICE cars will probably occur next year with the LCI. I just ordered a 2023 M4 Comp, but would not have done so if it was equipped with the monitor. I don't care about iD7 vs iD8, but I am that repulsed by the screen.

[Jacob54322]

Visited my local Bmw dealership a few days ago and sat in the I4. The Salesman showed me a little bit about the idrive 8 and tbh… there is just so many pointless apps on it and can be overwhelming. Not that I’m hating on I drive 8… I just think for M cars .. it should be focused on the driver experience and not on some huge screen distracting you From the drive. But On the suv models the I drive 8 would not be a bad thing. And it annoying trying to change the car setting on I drive 8. You could be sitting there a whole ass hour configuring it. But at the end of the day it all just comes down to what you would like more.

[The_Transporter]

Originally Posted by Jacob54322

Visited my local Bmw dealership a few days ago and sat in the I4. The Salesman showed me a little bit about the idrive 8 and tbh… there is just so many pointless apps on it and can be overwhelming. Not that I’m hating on I drive 8… I just think for M cars .. it should be focused on the driver experience and not on some huge screen distracting you From the drive. But On the suv models the I drive 8 would not be a bad thing. And it annoying trying to change the car setting on I drive 8. You could be sitting there a whole ass hour configuring it. But at the end of the day it all just comes down to what you would like more.

Exactly, for an A to B or get the kids to soccer practice I think the added tech is awesome! I don't want to get to the point where I get into a Ferrari and it has the same feel as a Honda…

[kjx]

Something very important for people who want to code anti-dazzle (like in Europe). And any other coding shenanigans on their cars like disabling the startup warning message.

iDrive 8 is apparently locked down to prevent coding. Source (X5 forums): https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=29049611

Someone may eventually crack it but… buyer beware until then.

[MassComp]

Originally Posted by kjx

Someone may eventually crack it but… buyer beware until then.

Thanks for the heads up, but what's my choice here really....not buy the car?

I'm hoping by next next year BMW sends an over-the-air unlock for the no-dazzle high-beam assistance on my Lasers since the Federal law in this country was changed a year back.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/us-h...dard%20108.%22

[KillerExcessive]

Sat in an i4 M50. Don't like how the screen wasn't integrated into the dash design. So glad I was able to get a '22.

Without a choice available, I'll live with it no problem, but if given a choice I'd skip this generation of id8- there's still work undone with this iteration. Feels unfinished.

[G30M]

when iD8 came out i ordered a Tesla

why go with copycats when you can get the real thing

[G80indy]

I like how it's "lower" on ID8….. more view of hood and road

[Poochie]

For i8 user demo video:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CfOtZ...d=MDJmNzVkMjY=

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by Poochie

For i8 user demo video:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CfOtZ...d=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Are we supposed to be driving or ordering a big Mac at McDonald's

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Are we supposed to be driving or ordering a big Mac at McDonald's

The nice thing about infotainment on cars is you don't have to use it, you can indeed just drive the car. You can even drive it to McDonalds.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Are we supposed to be driving or ordering a big Mac at McDonald's

Both

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

The nice thing about infotainment on cars is you don't have to use it, you can indeed just drive the car. You can even drive it to McDonalds.

I live in the Arctic. What if i want my defroster on and i am wearing gloves.