Toronto red and paint chips

bimmermann88 · 07-28-2021, 03:34 PM

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I am looking at ordering my M3 next week and I am still stuck on a exterior color between black and red! One of my concerns is paint chips of course. do you think I'll get as many visible paint chips with red because I definitely know I will with black! Im definitely want to do the ceramic coating but if I go red I might not need the PPF! What does everyone think?!

Scorp!on · 07-28-2021, 04:37 PM

Uhm I guess you see it on basically every colour except a light grey maybe.

If you're really worried about it I would PPF no matter what color.

TR for sure is a damn underrated beautiful color !

bimmermann88 · 07-28-2021, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorp!on

Uhm I guess you see it on basically every colour except a light grey maybe.

If you're really worried about it I would PPF no matter what color.

TR for sure is a damn underrated beautiful color !

TR looks hot a hell I think with the DRLs and the black accents! I just think people don't like the grille!! I think that's the whole reason of getting it other than the speed is the grille. I want it to be a head turner and black kinda it's an every day car color and mixes in with the grille!

kjx · 07-28-2021, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bimmermann88

I am looking at ordering my M3 next week and I am still stuck on a exterior color between black and red! One of my concerns is paint chips of course. do you think I'll get as many visible paint chips with red because I definitely know I will with black! Im definitely want to do the ceramic coating but if I go red I might not need the PPF! What does everyone think?!

Ceramic coating provides no protection against rock chips. Only PPF does. If you're going for an individual color, definitely do not cheap out on PPF.

AKTexas · 07-28-2021, 04:58 PM

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I actually just posted a question on the general forum about precisely this issue. I was thinking Oxide Grey might work, got some suggestions that BG might be better. I also chatted with a BMW rep over the phone, and he said that pretty much every color will show paint chips regardless of how Grey or metallic it is. So, I'd say go with TR if you love it and just deal with chips as they occur. Still, if anyone has any more thoughts on the issue, I'd love to hear about it for my own purposes as well.

Yas_sir · 07-28-2021, 07:12 PM

Just ppf the front bumper and hood if you are worried about rock chips. Doesn’t cost a ton and you can get whatever color you want.

jonahk · 07-28-2021, 08:39 PM

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Just ppf the front bumper and hood if you are worried about rock chips. Doesn’t cost a ton and you can get whatever color you want.

Can confirm that PPFing your bumper hood and front fenders will go a long way towards protecting against paint damage from rock chips. Worth the investment.

bimmermann88 · 07-28-2021, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Yas_sir

Just ppf the front bumper and hood if you are worried about rock chips. Doesn't cost a ton and you can get whatever color you want.

Can confirm that PPFing your bumper hood and front fenders will go a long way towards protecting against paint damage from rock chips. Worth the investment.

Definitely doing ppf! I've know a lot of research today and if I'm doing ppf I might as well do the Ceramic Coat as well!

supralex · 07-29-2021, 02:54 AM

I have my car ppf at 80% of the total surface and I have 2 paint chips on the doors so I would also recommend to ppf the ENTIRE doors

AKTexas · 07-29-2021, 08:14 AM

I've never had a car PPFed, so I was wondering — does it make a difference what color it is? Like, will it change the shine of some paints; will the frozen colors look weird with it? Also, I know that all BMW dealerships wax and treat the paint in their perhaps annoyingly priced and usually required "customer care package." If you drive it straight to the detailer with that package on there, will that cause problems for the PPF process (or ceramic coating, for that matter, though I realize that ceramic coating is for something else, not protection from flying rocks)?

BigHunk · 07-30-2021, 12:03 PM

Best-only protection is PPF from rock chips.
PPF will also preserve your color, because it has UV protection.
Doors and arches also get rock chips, tires are very wide and sticky for rocks, if you have mild OCD 100% of car is the way to go.

frankiebones · 07-30-2021, 12:45 PM

I have never PPF'd. I have never ceramic coated. I've never had visible chips even after a couple seasons of track driving. Sure, some minor chips here and there but nothing to justify the amount of mental anguish some of you seem to suffer.

jonahk · 07-30-2021, 01:11 PM

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I have never PPF'd. I have never ceramic coated. I've never had visible chips even after a couple seasons of track driving. Sure, some minor chips here and there but nothing to justify the amount of mental anguish some of you seem to suffer.

I wish I had a picture of my F87 before it was traded in. The front end PPF was WRECKED (scratched, pitted, etc) but the paint underneath was still pristine. In addition track days, I winter drove this car in MN, sat in a lot of traffic during road construction season, and did almost 10K miles in rallies as a media car. It's not mental anguish, its protecting the investment and not having to worry. I can't imagine ever owning a car without PPF any more.

HOWEVER, what PPF does not protect you from, is not properly securing the nozzle on your pressure washer and blasting it directly into your hood. That will go right through the PPF, dent the hood, pit the windshield, and yeet itself 30 feet up my driveway...

Gfit · 07-30-2021, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by frankiebones

I have never PPF'd. I have never ceramic coated. I've never had visible chips even after a couple seasons of track driving. Sure, some minor chips here and there but nothing to justify the amount of mental anguish some of you seem to suffer.

Agreed but those damn pebbles never miss my windshield

frankiebones · 07-30-2021, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jonahk

I wish I had a picture of my F87 before it was traded in. The front end PPF was WRECKED (scratched, pitted, etc) but the paint underneath was still pristine. In addition track days, I winter drove this car in MN, sat in a lot of traffic during road construction season, and did almost 10K miles in rallies as a media car. It's not mental anguish, its protecting the investment and not having to worry. I can't imagine ever owning a car without PPF any more.

HOWEVER, what PPF does not protect you from, is not properly securing the nozzle on your pressure washer and blasting it directly into your hood. That will go right through the PPF, dent the hood, pit the windshield, and yeet itself 30 feet up my driveway...

I have never owned a car and never will lol.

I would buy a GT3 after my G80 to have a 6MT forever. That would be the one exception.

Pantagathus · 07-30-2021, 03:10 PM

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I have my car ppf at 80% of the total surface and I have 2 paint chips on the doors so I would also recommend to ppf the ENTIRE doors

I also have a chip on my door. Pisses me off so much - I got the full front PPF'd thinking the door would be fine, now I've got a chip that goes right to the metal.

I'm still struggling to find somewhere to get the paint as well, I have BGM and no one (not even BMW directly) seems to have the paint available yet to touch up

chris719 · 07-30-2021, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bimmermann88

I am looking at ordering my M3 next week and I am still stuck on a exterior color between black and red! One of my concerns is paint chips of course. do you think I'll get as many visible paint chips with red because I definitely know I will with black! Im definitely want to do the ceramic coating but if I go red I might not need the PPF! What does everyone think?!

I'd not worry about chips when picking a color.

TrevorM3 · 08-03-2021, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pantagathus

I also have a chip on my door. Pisses me off so much - I got the full front PPF'd thinking the door would be fine, now I've got a chip that goes right to the metal.

I'm still struggling to find somewhere to get the paint as well, I have BGM and no one (not even BMW directly) seems to have the paint available yet to touch up

Brooklyn Grey? is that the color you are referring to?

Just go to a bodyshop, and have them mix some for you using your color code.

TrevorM3 · 08-03-2021, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by frankiebones

I have never PPF'd. I have never ceramic coated. I've never had visible chips even after a couple seasons of track driving. Sure, some minor chips here and there but nothing to justify the amount of mental anguish some of you seem to suffer.

Tell me about it. It seems everyone is overly obessesed with ppf and ceramic these days... it's a car.. it can handle a chip or two.. lol. The only paint i would consider PPF is a frozen color, because that is a pita to repaint.

unfoundnemo · 08-06-2021, 10:37 AM

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Tell me about it. It seems everyone is overly obessesed with ppf and ceramic these days... it's a car.. it can handle a chip or two.. lol. The only paint i would consider PPF is a frozen color, because that is a pita to repaint.

Same here. I'm fairly obsessive with detailing my car and don't bother with PPF or ceramic. Frozen or a weekend toy that I plan to keep long term might be the only times I might give it a thought. Otherwise, a good touch-up paint/process and a good wax and I'm good to go.

Gfit · 08-06-2021, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TrevorM3

Tell me about it. It seems everyone is overly obessesed with ppf and ceramic these days... it's a car.. it can handle a chip or two.. lol. The only paint i would consider PPF is a frozen color, because that is a pita to repaint.

Same here. I'm fairly obsessive with detailing my car and don't bother with PPF or ceramic. Frozen or a weekend toy that I plan to keep long term might be the only times I might give it a thought. Otherwise, a good touch-up paint/process and a good wax and I'm good to go.

Never did it. Never will. Thousands to protect from a few chips. Not for me.

heavyD^2 · 08-06-2021, 11:02 AM

It's highly dependent on where you life. The water based paints chip much easier than solvent based paints of the past. In a northern climate where roads are sanded and gravelled, non-protected water based paint will get chipped and sand blasted. I have seen some late model Porsche SUV's up here peppered pretty good on the front end without PPF and maybe it's me but I don't find little primer colored dots on your front end and hood overly attractive. It's a personal decision and a matter of how long you plan on keeping the car. If you are leasing and change cars a lot probably not as big a deal to leave it unprotected. If you are one of those people that holds on to their cars and cares about resale value it's not a bad investment IMO.

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Scorp!on Captain 1512 Rep 781 Posts Drives: BMW M3 G80 MT BSM Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Zurich, Switzerland iTrader: (0)	Uhm I guess you see it on basically every colour except a light grey maybe. If you're really worried about it I would PPF no matter what color. TR for sure is a damn underrated beautiful color !
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AKTexas New Member 3 Rep 11 Posts Drives: Mazda 3 Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Texas, USA iTrader: (0)	https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=27855926 I actually just posted a question on the general forum about precisely this issue. I was thinking Oxide Grey might work, got some suggestions that BG might be better. I also chatted with a BMW rep over the phone, and he said that pretty much every color will show paint chips regardless of how Grey or metallic it is. So, I'd say go with TR if you love it and just deal with chips as they occur. Still, if anyone has any more thoughts on the issue, I'd love to hear about it for my own purposes as well.
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Yas_sir Second Lieutenant 388 Rep 249 Posts Drives: G80 Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: CT iTrader: (0)	Just ppf the front bumper and hood if you are worried about rock chips. Doesn’t cost a ton and you can get whatever color you want. __________________ /// Santorini G80 6MT Pics and stuff
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supralex Private First Class 507 Rep 141 Posts Drives: Yes Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Yes iTrader: (0)	I have my car ppf at 80% of the total surface and I have 2 paint chips on the doors so I would also recommend to ppf the ENTIRE doors
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AKTexas New Member 3 Rep 11 Posts Drives: Mazda 3 Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Texas, USA iTrader: (0)	I've never had a car PPFed, so I was wondering — does it make a difference what color it is? Like, will it change the shine of some paints; will the frozen colors look weird with it? Also, I know that all BMW dealerships wax and treat the paint in their perhaps annoyingly priced and usually required "customer care package." If you drive it straight to the detailer with that package on there, will that cause problems for the PPF process (or ceramic coating, for that matter, though I realize that ceramic coating is for something else, not protection from flying rocks)?
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BigHunk ///M 270 Rep 385 Posts Drives: X5M , iX , S1000XR Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Edmonton iTrader: (0)	Best-only protection is PPF from rock chips. PPF will also preserve your color, because it has UV protection. Doors and arches also get rock chips, tires are very wide and sticky for rocks, if you have mild OCD 100% of car is the way to go. __________________ not rich enough to buy cheap
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frankiebones Brigadier General 5299 Rep 3,056 Posts Drives: Fire Orange G80 6MT Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Long Island, NY iTrader: (0)	I have never PPF'd. I have never ceramic coated. I've never had visible chips even after a couple seasons of track driving. Sure, some minor chips here and there but nothing to justify the amount of mental anguish some of you seem to suffer. __________________ Fire Orange 6MT G80 (Miss July, 2021 Cover of Bimmerpost) SMB M3 CS (gone) YMB F80 6MT (gone)
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heavyD^2 Colonel 3689 Rep 2,956 Posts Drives: X3M Competition Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Too close to Santa iTrader: (0)	It's highly dependent on where you life. The water based paints chip much easier than solvent based paints of the past. In a northern climate where roads are sanded and gravelled, non-protected water based paint will get chipped and sand blasted. I have seen some late model Porsche SUV's up here peppered pretty good on the front end without PPF and maybe it's me but I don't find little primer colored dots on your front end and hood overly attractive. It's a personal decision and a matter of how long you plan on keeping the car. If you are leasing and change cars a lot probably not as big a deal to leave it unprotected. If you are one of those people that holds on to their cars and cares about resale value it's not a bad investment IMO.
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