[Aalfred]

Hi,
I have been going back an forth about getting an M3. I finally saw one in person and seem to be strongly considering it and called a bunch of dealers and was disappointed with the 12-16 month wait time for the M3C Xdrive. I happen to come across a dealer who has an open allocation for an M3C without the Xdrive. I live in WI and we do get a fair share of snow. I plan to use my X3 for the majority of the winter when it snows and use the M3C for mainly summer and maybe weekends in winter when there isnt much snow. I will be having performance tires on my M3C and dont want to buy winters if I can avoid it. My question is, would an M3C be enough to satisfy my need with its RWD or should I just stick with the M3C Xdrive? I do like speed and dont know if I can drive the M3C in winter with its performance tires at all (we do get cold weather from Nov to April). So I need to make a decision within 24 hrs. So would really appreciate your input and guidance in this regard. Thanks !!!

Update: Looks like its smoke and mirrors. Now they r saying its just in the orderbank. Classic bait and switch. I guess Id have to get on the waitlist for 1 y for the comp X drive

[BGM-M3COMP]

I have the RWD comp and i did have a chance to order the x-drive at that time but i decided to opt for the RWD as i told my SA, "i don't need/want that". And he said, "good choice" lol.

However if i had to go back, i would just get the x-drive. Because you can switch to RWD anyway so you'll have the best of both worlds.

After living with my tesla model 3LR for a couple of months now, and purchasing acceleration boost which brings my 0-60 to a consistent 3.7 or so, i totally get the appeal of AWD. There is almost nothing (aside from other teslas lol) that could take me off a line. There were times i ended up in the wrong lane at a light and i knew i had to get over immediately. Well i am undefeated in my holeshots lol.

Stabbing the throttle from a light knowing you'll have immediate traction all the time is so satisfying.

If i could do it over, i would have just gotten the x-drive.

[BMWRacer523]

Xdrive - no brainer

[buckybadger]

I'm in California and would pick the Xdrive.

[Bumpinjeep]

Honestly, if you already have a vehicle that you can drive during inclement weather, I would choose a RWD car. Hell, I would do a base M3 with the stick. So you can have a fun daily that you can take people in and a car you can drive in the snow. An AWD SUV and an AWD sedan serve the same purpose, one is just taller and more practical. You also get the added bonus of a lighter vehicle that's more precise.

[Aalfred]

Thanks. I agree with all that you said and in a perfect world, i would get the Xdrive. But given the current situation, i can get an M3C allocation and maybe get the car in in 4 months or wait for the Xdrive in a order bank for the next 12-16 months to get a MY24 and prob more price increase. Other than the straight line speed 0-60, will i be missing out on driving characteristics and ride comfort ?

[Forzanerazzurri]

Given that you can turn xdrive off, I'm not sure what the purpose of the RWD comp is. Unless you are really really price sensitive there is almost no argument to get one.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Aalfred

Thanks. I agree with all that you said and in a perfect world, i would get the Xdrive. But given the current situation, i can get an M3C allocation and maybe get the car in in 4 months or wait for the Xdrive in a order bank for the next 12-16 months to get a MY24 and prob more price increase. Other than the straight line speed 0-60, will i be missing out on driving characteristics and ride comfort ?

Is it really 12-16 months wait just for an x-drive?

If so, get the RWD lol.

I waited 4 months for my RWD comp and i was going nuts after the 2nd month. I thought i could wait but i couldn't.

Honestly, i think the x-drive is only beneficial if you have to drive it year round (although winter tires on RWD is almost as good), and 0-60 times. Other than that, basically the same damn thing.

[Aalfred]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Honestly, if you already have a vehicle that you can drive during inclement weather, I would choose a RWD car. Hell, I would do a base M3 with the stick. So you can have a fun daily that you can take people in and a car you can drive in the snow. An AWD SUV and an AWD sedan serve the same purpose, one is just taller and more practical. You also get the added bonus of a lighter vehicle that's more precise.

That was my reasoning too. I dont plan on getting rid of my X3 soon. If its snow or bad weather, I was going to take the X3. I almost thought about parking my M3 in the garage for the winter and just drive the X3 for the most part. What id wanna know if if innthe rare chance i need to use my M3 as my daily driver, would i lose out on traction and say driving in the rain with RWD vs AWD. Ive had 1 FWD car and my other 3 cars so far have been AWD. So dont know if its feasible.

[kjx]

Originally Posted by Aalfred

I happen to come across a dealer who has an open allocation for an M3C without the Xdrive.

This doesn't make sense because the allocations are interchangeable afaik. Allocations are not interchangeable between M3 and M4 for sure. But you should be able to get xDrive on the M3C allocation, unless what they have is a car that's already been specced in the system and that's all they are offering you.

To your bigger question, the xDrive is the only version to get unless the price difference kills you.

[Aalfred]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Is it really 12-16 months wait just for an x-drive?

If so, get the RWD lol.

I waited 4 months for my RWD comp and i was going nuts after the 2nd month. I thought i could wait but i couldn't.

Honestly, i think the x-drive is only beneficial if you have to drive it year round (although winter tires on RWD is almost as good), and 0-60 times. Other than that, basically the same damn thing.

Yes !!! I started out looking for M3 and they said 6 months. Then thought the I4 M50 might be easier to get and out a deposit on the M50 in April and now being told its going to be like Spring 2023. When I enquired about the M3C, the min is 12 months. They r people waiting 4 months to get an allocation 😭😭😭

[Aalfred]

Originally Posted by kjx

This doesn't make sense because the allocations are interchangeable afaik. Allocations are not interchangeable between M3 and M4 for sure. But you should be able to get xDrive on the M3C allocation, unless what they have is a car that's already been specced in the system and that's all they are offering you.

To your bigger question, the xDrive is the only version to get unless the price difference kills you.

Is that true? He said there is a 23 M3C allocation that they had a cancellation and no one had picked up yet. He did say there is no production # and that i can customize the build. I’ll talk to the manager tomorrow to see if its possible to change it to M3C X drive. Id be ok with the price with the flexibility it provides. I hope what u r saying is true coz that would be the icing on the cake !!!

[kiw1]

X-Drive if you get snow and ice, although a dedicated winter setup with Wintrac Pro's / Michelin Pilot Alpin 5 will make a huge difference with traction and overall safety.

[Aalfred]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Given that you can turn xdrive off, I'm not sure what the purpose of the RWD comp is. Unless you are really really price sensitive there is almost no argument to get one.

The wait times. 12-16 months vs maybe 4 months

[Ximian]

Originally Posted by Aalfred

I do like speed and dont know if I can drive the M3C in winter with its performance tires at all (we do get cold weather from Nov to April).

You absolutely should not drive the car, whether RWD M3C or the xDrive version, with the summer performance tires in the type of cold and snow we get.

If you don't want to deal with getting a winter tire/wheel setup, considering switching the performance summer tires to good all-seasons. Lots of good things to say about the Continental DWS 06 Plus tires in snow at reasonable street speeds - they handle the typical snow conditions well enough. They're also pretty good in the summer as well.

The only reason to get RWD over xDrive is if you plan on running drastically different wheel and tires sizes than stock. xDrive isn't as tolerant of that compared to RWD. If that's not the case for you, you won't be unhappy going with an xDrive M3C.

[kjx]

Originally Posted by Aalfred

Is that true? He said there is a 23 M3C allocation that they had a cancellation and no one had picked up yet. He did say there is no production # and that i can customize the build. I’ll talk to the manager tomorrow to see if its possible to change it to M3C X drive. Id be ok with the price with the flexibility it provides. I hope what u r saying is true coz that would be the icing on the cake !!!

Your dealer sounds a little sus or incompetent.

My memory was good - see another post saying the same thing: https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...postcount=2192

[buckybadger]

A Xdrive SUV like a X5 will not give you the same experience as a AWD M3. You are putting down power efficiently and reducing your chances to get into an accident on public roads in bad weather. Especially if you are going to carry family members. This car is a monster and AWD brings peace of mind.

You can always convert your M3 to a RWD, if needed. My pick is AWD with automatic and RWD with a manual.

Also I think the AWD will hold its value better.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Aalfred

Yes !!! I started out looking for M3 and they said 6 months. Then thought the I4 M50 might be easier to get and out a deposit on the M50 in April and now being told its going to be like Spring 2023. When I enquired about the M3C, the min is 12 months. They r people waiting 4 months to get an allocation 😭😭😭

I'm keeping my eye on the next installment of the M3. If the next gen is hybrid, perhaps i'll wait for that. Or maybe get an M5 when this lease is over. I do wonder about an M3 EV but i think that's coming towards the end of the decade lol.

I couldn't wait 12-16 months for any BMW. But that's just me. But then again i am approaching 3 years since my deposit on the C8 z06 and i am looking at 12-14 months for my stingray (coming spring 2023).

So if you have patience for your dream car, you can do it. If it's just a regular car to you, then get what can get now.

I couldn't wait that long for an M car though.

[kiw1]

Originally Posted by Ximian

You absolutely should not drive the car, whether RWD M3C or the xDrive version, with the summer performance tires in the type of cold and snow we get.

This as well. The OP's annual winter temps get below 30f. Summer tires on any car would be very dangerous at these temperatures regardless of snow/ice.

[Rux]

Originally Posted by Aalfred

Is that true? He said there is a 23 M3C allocation that they had a cancellation and no one had picked up yet. He did say there is no production # and that i can customize the build. I’ll talk to the manager tomorrow to see if its possible to change it to M3C X drive. Id be ok with the price with the flexibility it provides. I hope what u r saying is true coz that would be the icing on the cake !!!

This is how I understand it. I could choose whatever I wanted for an NA M4. Likely a customer backed out of it after being built or past whatever the time to change point is (150 I think).

As to your dilemma...Wait and get the xDrive or call out the salesman for their Shenanigans.

As to driving in real snow, I would not take any performance car, xDrive or not, with summer tires out if the temp has a chance to hit the tire changeover point. (44 degrees iirc?) Winter rims and snow tires, you can drive wherever as long as you clear the snow. So depending on where you are in Cheesehead land, your summer ends and winter begins in what? Late September?


Either way, these are great problems to have and either choice you won't regret.

Don't count out the RWD M4 Manual non-comp. They can be insane with the right mods....

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Aalfred

Hi,
I have been going back an forth about getting an M3. I finally saw one in person and seem to be strongly considering it and called a bunch of dealers and was disappointed with the 12-16 month wait time for the M3C Xdrive. I happen to come across a dealer who has an open allocation for an M3C without the Xdrive. I live in WI and we do get a fair share of snow. I plan to use my X3 for the majority of the winter when it snows and use the M3C for mainly summer and maybe weekends in winter when there isnt much snow. I will be having performance tires on my M3C and dont want to buy winters if I can avoid it. My question is, would an M3C be enough to satisfy my need with its RWD or should I just stick with the M3C Xdrive? I do like speed and dont know if I can drive the M3C in winter with its performance tires at all (we do get cold weather from Nov to April). So I need to make a decision within 24 hrs. So would really appreciate your input and guidance in this regard. Thanks !!!

If your going to stay around stock HP, then pick either or. If your looking to have a very fast street car and mod it out, X-Drive every time. Nothing worse than no traction!!

[MMM.PWR]

The dealer said there is no production#? Then no allocation AFAIK.