[beamlord]

Originally Posted by vj123

And if we looks through the posts in the thread, anyone can notice who initiated the claims without concrete data. Couple of second improvement in the track time wouldnt mean anything for 95% of the people here.

Instead of trashing the options, I am glad that BMW is offering three powertrain options to the customers unlike other OEMs. You own a xdrive and for some, thats a irrelevant trim as it misses a manual gearbox. At the end, there is no right or wrong and its just a matter of personal preference.

Looks like you don't even bother to read the OP question, no wonder the ignorance and another pointless argument. And it's not a claim but a fact that xdrive is faster absolutely anywhere.
The OP was choosing between Competition and Xdrive. No manual.

[beamlord]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

Not everyone likes AWD...sounds like you don't have much experience driving and that's fine but stop generalizing.

Not even going to acknowledge this childish nonsense, oh experienced driver.

We are not even discussing mine or anyone else's preference but giving a purchase advice to the OP. Purchasing an XDrive is undoubtedly the smarter option as the majority of responses here stated.

Now go on continue convincing yourself otherwise.

[vj123]

Originally Posted by beamlord

Looks like you don't even bother to read the OP question, no wonder the ignorance and another pointless argument. And it's not a claim but a fact that xdrive is faster absolutely anywhere.
The OP was choosing between Competition and Xdrive. No manual.

FYI, I addressed OP's question in post 8 before you derailed this discussion. My previous post was a reply to the post quoted.

Anyways, thank you for entertaining.

[LuckyBrand]

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by beamlord

Not even going to acknowledge this childish nonsense, oh experienced driver.

We are not even discussing mine or anyone else's preference but giving a purchase advice to the OP. Purchasing an XDrive is undoubtedly the smarter option as the majority of responses here stated.

Now go on continue convincing yourself otherwise.

You've yet to actually provide a valid reason though. Like I said, it's cool if you need AWD to feel safe but others know how to drive proper RWD setups...you'll get there someday if you stay focused

[MichaelB1969]

I got the base for the manual. However, if I was getting a competition and lived in MI, I wouldn't even consider the rwd. Can you live with the rwd in a climate like Michigan, of course! However, to be able to switch between full rwd and awd for a little more money and 98 lbs of weight...no brainer in my opinion.

[kjx]

Originally Posted by Gandalf The White

No doubt the X drive or a C4S are super capable cars and probably objectively better than their RWD counterparties, but the argument against it would be that that is not the version I want :-)

Respectfully, what version you want is irrelevant to someone else asking for objective reasons to pick xdrive over RWD.

[CSH1959]

I am driving an Audi Quattro S6 currently. Awesome car, great traction in all situations. Just not a lot of fun to drive.

I'm not buying the M3 for winter transportation. I have four wheel drive vehicles for that. Honestly, a front wheel drive car is more than enough for winter in MI.

I'm really leaning towards 2 wheel drive. Not about the money ... it's about the fun factor for me. I've owned a couple of Z06's, a couple of ZL1's ... not the fastest track cars in the world but lots of fun!

[Gandalf The White]

Originally Posted by kjx

Respectfully, what version you want is irrelevant to someone else asking for objective reasons to pick xdrive over RWD.

Respectfully, this was the question from OP

"Having trouble deciding whether I want the Xdrive or two-wheel drive competition. By all accounts I don't see a reason to not go all-wheel drive, but it just seems contrary to what s sports car should be ...

Any opinions or experience that you can provide?"


I think I both provided an opinion and addressed his comment that he has trouble deciding whether he WANT the Xdrive or RWD.

but certainly, feel free to disagree with my read.

[kjx]

Originally Posted by Gandalf The White

Respectfully, this was the question from OP

"Having trouble deciding whether I want the Xdrive or two-wheel drive competition. By all accounts I don't see a reason to not go all-wheel drive, but it just seems contrary to what s sports car should be ...

Any opinions or experience that you can provide?"


I think I both provided an opinion and addressed his comment that he has trouble deciding whether he WANT the Xdrive or RWD.

but certainly, feel free to disagree with my read.

Ok, I respect your reasoning. I’m now a little mad at OP. 😆

[1209582]

x drive optioned with m drive pro is the way to go

[beamlord]

Originally Posted by vj123

FYI, I addressed OP's question in post 8 before you derailed this discussion. My previous post was a reply to the post quoted.

Anyways, thank you for entertaining.

You seem to excel at being bitter and still not providing any insight. I will leave you at that.

[beamlord]

Originally Posted by CSH1959

I am driving an Audi Quattro S6 currently. Awesome car, great traction in all situations. Just not a lot of fun to drive.

I'm not buying the M3 for winter transportation. I have four wheel drive vehicles for that. Honestly, a front wheel drive car is more than enough for winter in MI.

I'm really leaning towards 2 wheel drive. Not about the money ... it's about the fun factor for me. I've owned a couple of Z06's, a couple of ZL1's ... not the fastest track cars in the world but lots of fun!

If it's not about the money, and if you still want an automatic, what is it about then?

[CSH1959]

Originally Posted by beamlord

If it's not about the money, and if you still want an automatic, what is it about then?

Well, as I said, it's about which one will be more fun. I guess if it were free there would be no discussion, so maybe it is about the money ... I guess it boils down to whether or not it's worth it to me. I think it would be off 95% of the time ...

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by beamlord

Seriously missed the point there. Once again, the argument of "not needing AWD" is absolute nonsense. There is no situation where you would sanely say "oh no, AWD is bothering me!".

There is no situation where would you say HUD is bothering me or having the option of 10 traction settings is not bothering me or driving assistance professional is not bothering me…but I don’t need any of those. So, why should I bother getting them and donating BMW the $$$, especially if I am leasing the thing and do not care about resale a few years down the road??

Some need xDrive, some love it, some feel ballsy at the red light with an xdrive. And then, some would rather spend those 5k (actually $6k because without traction control option at $1k, going to RWD setting can get tricky) on something else…

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

There is no situation where would you say HUD is bothering me or having the option of 10 traction settings is not bothering me or driving assistance professional is not bothering me…but I don’t need any of those. So, why should I bother getting them and donating BMW the $$$, especially if I am leasing the thing and do not care about resale a few years down the road??

Some need xDrive, some love it, some feel ballsy at the red light with an xdrive. And then, some would rather spend those 5k (actually $6k because without traction control option at $1k, going to RWD setting can get tricky) on something else…

$5,000 is $5,000. It's not a small amount of money. People who say crap like that get broke fast because they have no money management skills and think they're invincible.

[BLKSAPPE92]

Originally Posted by CSH1959

I'm driving. 2023 S6. That's a big, heavy car. The M3 is smaller and lighter. The Quattro is very good but it's not as good as rear wheel for throwing the car around. I don't see an advantage on track compared to rear wheel drive. Other than a drag race I don't see a performance advantage. As a daily driver, possibly.

Not speeking about you I also drove Audis I left the brand because of maintenance and how you need to purchase tires if one goes bad.

I feel from this thread a bunch of Audi Quattro fan boys bought m3/m4.

The awd system In bmw is clutch based and will need regular service for the transfer case and the front differential every 30k not to mention tires will need to be purchased in sets of 4 like an Audi but bare minimum per axle. An example would be if you have put two new rear or two front tires on and in 4 months you have a nail in one and the tread depth is 7/32 you can’t just replace the tire with a nail.

Last I would never own a pre owner awd car because of new owners usually never do proper maintenance. Plus all these owners swapping out rims and tires that won’t match the correct rev per mile from front to rear

[Allerum]

[QUOTE=BLKSAPPE92;30055344]Not speeking about you I also drove Audis I left the brand because of maintenance and how you need to purchase tires if one goes bad.

I feel from this thread a bunch of Audi Quattro fan boys bought m3/m4.

What? Maintenance for 50k on my rs3 was barely above average and I was extra Judicious in fluid changes like every 20k. Was able to get most of my 4 tires to evenly wear throughout all kinds of driving and even some track days, and only bought 3 sets of tires in 50k miles.
Diff fluid was like maybe a 300$ service. Same with DSG fluids. Only needed Haldex and ptu once. I expect about that with the M and that's over zealous according to the manual.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by CSH1959

I'm driving. 2023 S6. That's a big, heavy car. The M3 is smaller and lighter. The Quattro is very good but it's not as good as rear wheel for throwing the car around. I don't see an advantage on track compared to rear wheel drive. Other than a drag race I don't see a performance advantage. As a daily driver, possibly.

Originally Posted by CSH1959

I am driving an Audi Quattro S6 currently. Awesome car, great traction in all situations. Just not a lot of fun to drive.

I'm not buying the M3 for winter transportation. I have four wheel drive vehicles for that. Honestly, a front wheel drive car is more than enough for winter in MI.

I'm really leaning towards 2 wheel drive. Not about the money ... it's about the fun factor for me. I've owned a couple of Z06's, a couple of ZL1's ... not the fastest track cars in the world but lots of fun!

The Audi S6 AWD system is very different from the BMW AWD system in our G8Xs. The X-Drive is just as fun as my RWD F80 M3 CS. I actually find it more fun, since you can still oversteer, but have all that grip for corner exit. Again, there are plenty of reasons to get the RWD version of the car, but if it's the fun factor of a RWD setup that you crave, the X-Drive still gives you that.

[skyline408]

It appears that the G8x X-drive is 99% RWD unless the car calls for front tire grip. If that is the case, you're not missing much if you go RWD over X-drive for a street driven car--unless you live in an area with weather that will benefit from AWD.

It sounds like if you street drive an X-drive G8x, you're in RWD basically all the time anyways. Very different from full time AWD.

That said, if X-drive was offered in 6MT, I would have gone that route. I'm still really enjoying the RWD car. The grip and corner exit is incredible. My F95 was X-drive and while it's an apples to orange comparison. I don't feel like i'm giving up anything by having RWD only.

[BMWRacer523]

Originally Posted by CSH1959

I'm driving. 2023 S6. That's a big, heavy car. The M3 is smaller and lighter. The Quattro is very good but it's not as good as rear wheel for throwing the car around. I don't see an advantage on track compared to rear wheel drive. Other than a drag race I don't see a performance advantage. As a daily driver, possibly.

XDrive is definitely quicker on track. You can get on the gas sooner and the awd pulls the car out of the corner. The data from all the testing shows that XDrive is faster on track. But if you don’t track and don’t live in areas with inclement weather rwd is more than adequate.

[mirob]

There is no right or wrong answer here. Only mistake you can make is getting something else altogether.