[thopwood4]

Whoops. This was pre-race today in the morning.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...re-daytona-24/

[kjx]

Originally Posted by thopwood4

Whoops. This was pre-race today in the morning.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...re-daytona-24/

The pure irony in the safety car crashing. 4 hours before the race started.

Probably lost on the driver. But the irony. Man.

[thopwood4]

Wipers still work even after a hard shunt!

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2m4o...RlODBiNWFlZA==

[G MONEY]

This is why you don’t order the lame ass RWD model. Just kidding

[geko29]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

This is why you don’t order the lame ass RWD model. Just kidding

Xdrive badge on the trunk....

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by geko29

Xdrive badge on the trunk....

They put the X-Drive badge on M cars? Pathetic if true🤡🤡

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by geko29

Xdrive badge on the trunk....

Damn shame what happened to that xdrive. I bet a RWD wouldn’t have crashed.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by Alpine300zhp

Damn shame what happened to that xdrive. I bet a RWD wouldn’t have crashed.

Probably understeered into the wall...

[forcefed]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

Probably understeered into the wall...

This isn't an audi.

[SwankPeRFection]

Originally Posted by forcefed

This isn't an audi.

Sport diff equipped Audis don’t understeer. Get the right options…. Lol

[jmg]

Originally Posted by SwankPeRFection

Sport diff equipped Audis don’t understeer. Get the right options…. Lol

My B8 S4 25Quattro pushed considerably more than my G82 (which has near RWD levels of oversteer with all the nannies off). It had the sports diff. The S4 was still nose heavy. There's only so much a LSD can do.

Do the newer S4's really dial out all the understeer? Throttle sill results in understeer in this 2015 and required trail braking to oversteer:

[SwankPeRFection]

Originally Posted by jmg

My B8 S4 25Quattro pushed considerably more than my G82 (which has near RWD levels of oversteer with all the nannies off). It had the sports diff. The S4 was still nose heavy. There's only so much a LSD can do.

Do the newer S4's really dial out all the understeer? Throttle sill results in understeer in this 2015 and required trail braking to oversteer:

I dunno man, I’ve never had issues with my B8. The only time it will push is if the weight is transferred really hard to the nose because of entering a hard turn on purpose that way, the minute I lift off the brakes and shift the weight back, it’s fine and will rotate no issues. You can’t drive AWD like you do RWD in terms of steering angle and I think this is where people make a mistake because the instant you’re on the power, the front will try and pull you in the direction you’re going. Usually (in most instances) you cannot have the wheels corrected and pointed in the same position with AWD as you would RWD. If you do, it’ll either push or you’ll have other wackiness happen. When it pushes under power it’s because you’ve lost traction up front do to the weight shift off the tires (less grip now) and compounded by the sudden power to the front. Of course it’s going to spin and push. There are times wheels up front being perfectly straight and even turned more in the opposite direction than the expected counter steer is required to drive around a turn in AWD, especially if you’ve lost or are looking to lose traction around it. It’s hard to explain, it’s a feel thing, but if you’re over driving the car to push in AWD, it’ll push in RWD also. The steering angles and correction/counter steer on AWD is different at the limit while under power. Also, everyone tended to go nuts with swaybars on the B8 and B8.5 cars to make them stiffer and flatter and that in some cases actually made that push situation even worse. I love my car and drive the piss out of it every day, but also can’t wait to move to an M4 or 3.

[M4Lou]

"full of passengers..."

??

[SwankPeRFection]

^^^^ It was leading some pre race parade race event thing going on, if I understood correctly through the quick one-over skim I did of the articles on it. I’m guessing maybe some VIPs or someone else was riding with them in that car for a “fun ride-along” kind of thing maybe.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by SwankPeRFection

I dunno man, I’ve never had issues with my B8. The only time it will push is if the weight is transferred really hard to the nose because of entering a hard turn on purpose that way, the minute I lift off the brakes and shift the weight back, it’s fine and will rotate no issues. You can’t drive AWD like you do RWD in terms of steering angle and I think this is where people make a mistake because the instant you’re on the power, the front will try and pull you in the direction you’re going. Usually (in most instances) you cannot have the wheels corrected and pointed in the same position with AWD as you would RWD. If you do, it’ll either push or you’ll have other wackiness happen. When it pushes under power it’s because you’ve lost traction up front do to the weight shift off the tires (less grip now) and compounded by the sudden power to the front. Of course it’s going to spin and push. There are times wheels up front being perfectly straight and even turned more in the opposite direction than the expected counter steer is required to drive around a turn in AWD, especially if you’ve lost or are looking to lose traction around it. It’s hard to explain, it’s a feel thing, but if you’re over driving the car to push in AWD, it’ll push in RWD also. The steering angles and correction/counter steer on AWD is different at the limit while under power. Also, everyone tended to go nuts with swaybars on the B8 and B8.5 cars to make them stiffer and flatter and that in some cases actually made that push situation even worse. I love my car and drive the piss out of it every day, but also can’t wait to move to an M4 or 3.

The BMW X-Drive in the M3/4 is rear biased and behaves very differently than a front biased AWD. You can drive it like a RWD vehicle and throttle steer, with more throttle generally leading to oversteer, not understeer. Counter-steering is the same. Additionally, the engine is mounted farther over the front wheels in the S4 than in an M3/4. That's also why the S4 suffers from understeer. My M4 is X-Drive and the best video I have of me throttle steering is this video at 0:29 seconds. You can see be brake hard before the corner, then trail the brake into it a bit to get it to rotate because I was a little hot, then if you watch the speedometer (my RPM data capture was not working that day for some reason), speed is going up and down through the turn as I throttle steer. The car oversteers when I throttle, then I counter-steer a tiny bit, and feather the throttle to prevent a spin for a consistent slide around the hairpin. It's nothing crazy, because drifting is slow, but I used the same technique with my RWD M3 CS. Only with the X-Drive, I can be hard on the throttle sooner.

Originally Posted by SwankPeRFection

The only time it will push is if the weight is transferred really hard to the nose because of entering a hard turn on purpose that way,

What you're describing is going too fast into the corner. Your tires are using all their grip to stop, it won't matter how you turn the wheel, RWD or AWD. However, if you do it right, keeping the brakes applied into the corner can give you rotation because the weight transfer is on the front, making the rear lighter, and allowing for oversteer. If you watch that video I posted in my previous post, the reviewer even confirms it at 11:52. It's called trail braking. Trail braking works for both RWD and AWD.

[SwankPeRFection]

^^^^ The AWD in the B8 S4 is not FWD biased. You might be thinking of the S3/RS3 versions which isn’t the same. I don’t think you understood what I was trying to say. It’s 40/60 to the rear, so while not as much RWD as xdrive is, if you have the power, it’ll definitely easily rotate and easily kick out on you and feel like a really easy to control RWD setup. The difference is, you don’t need to module throttle to help with steering and to keep it from spinning out as much. With the sport diff, the difference is even more tail happy. If it was 30/70 it would be better from a more hooning as spect, sure, but in my opinion would ruin the “just go” factor when taking turns properly. But I’ve never been a fan of RWD by itself. I don’t like waiting for traction or fucking around with trying to control it just so I can go. I wanna take off and go no matter the conditions, in and out of turns including. Anyway, never had issues with the car pushing, like some others on the Audi forums kept complaining about. 🤷*♂️