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The same driver with the same tires can consistently go faster, more safely in all conditions, especially anything-less-than-perfect conditions in an AWD than they would in an RWD. Reasons are plastered in prior posts in this thread, in this forum, on YouTube and in articles.
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There is nothing wrong with that choice. But understand that for some others the pursuit is for the fastest, safest car possible within their budget, and the 6MT or RWD is rarely ever that car (or never, budget permitting) when you look at the current gen M3/M4.
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From my experience living in northern new england and spending a good chunk of time fairly close to the canadien border in the winter, I'd still pick RWD. My entire response is based on snow driving, not 0-60 runs in the dry/wet (for which AWD makes sense). If AWD is strong a consideration for snow, I'd probably look for an entirely different vehicle.
I have a xdrive 6MT E90 335 that I flashed to 100% RWD with xDelete a few years ago and haven't bothered to switch back to AWD. With a fresh set of Bridgestone Blizzak WS70 tires, I haven't found any situation where AWD would really make much of a difference- other than accelerating faster. This includes unpaved roads in the middle of no where, starting on steep hills, backwoods NH/ME/VT etc. When roads are unplowed (1-2ft deep), it's time for a 4x4 SUV or truck with all terrains- not a car (except some subarus with decent ground clearance and snow tires). The real issue isn't the drive type but ground clearance. Once you're in snow over the bumper, you're effectively a snowplow. AWD allows you to plow a bit more but is still very limited by the lack of ground clearance. Considering all M3s are generally close to 50/50 weight distribution and have a limited slip differential in the rear, they are all pretty darn good in the snow (WITH CORRECT TIRES!). From what I've found, the environments where you really need to consider AWD or 4x4 are on deeply rutted, unmaintained class 6 roads where ground clearance and axle articulation are key. AWD or RWD cars don't really matter because they will be scraping or bottoming out. Ground clearance + 4x4 (think 4runner, GX460, Jeep, Land Cruiser, truck, etc.) is what you want in these areas as a primary vehicle. Another couple points to consider: -AWD versions are dramatically more complicated in the front with limited access. -RWD BMWs are MUCH easier to work on up front compared to the AWD versions. -a strong propensity for BMWs to leak oil over time (eco rubber/gaskets, heat, who knows?). -Tire circumference must be close in order to prevent damage to the transfer case (i.e. buying 4 vs 2 tires). It will only be a matter of time before CV boots tear, front differential oil seals weap, hard to chase vibrations, oil pan gasket leaks, transfer case issues, axles, etc. Not to mention the additional potential for failure of the transfer case and front differential. Not saying that it's only limited to BMW, just that these can and do fail on all AWD vehicles. If your goal is to lease the car for 3 years and only have one set of tires, AWD I guess makes sense. But if you intend to own the car for the long haul, go RWD. |
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Glad we agree on one point!
You're talking about accelerating out of a turn with lower traction. I originally acknowledged that AWD helps acceleration when traction is low, so we're saying the same thing here. I was talking about passive cornering (i.e. grip), which is 100% a function of a tire's adhesion to the road surface. Quote:
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Listen, people buy the M cars for a lot of different reasons. Same with AWD. But generally, M drivers care about performance, and a big part of performance has to do with acceleration.. With 0-60 times for AWD M3/4s widely being reported in the 3.1 sec range, we're talking C8 Stingray territory here with better liveability (if there is such a word). At least, thats how I look at it. And with the numerous rear bias settings available and the ability to defeat the awd function entirely, I think a good case can be made for that version.
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I can't believe the overwhelming votes for awd on an M… lol from men… lol I must be from the dark ages… I've lived in NY my whole life. Yes I know the benefit of awd, blah blah blah. My husband drove a Q7 for years and to be honest, it sucked. My e90 M3 with Blizzaks got around and up my driveway (on a slope) better than his Audi did… AND I shut the traction off, because I did better sliding back and forth up the hill, then I did with the traction ON and not letting me get any grip. AWD is a nice feature, to me, it's good for families, and Sunday drives to pick apples and whatnot… but an M, or an AMG, or certain other cars are just so much more aggressive and classic, with RWD…
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Very true. Way more advanced AWD systems today. But that damn thing sure took all the fun out of driving in the snow except for the people that didn’t want to have fun driving in the snow. Then it was the perfect car.
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Then ask yourself why do some of the fastest car lines in these makes come standard with AWD. Not unusual to shut off traction control in deep snow or steep hills so the tires will slip rather than stop but with AWD you have 4 tires pulling not just two. More than likely its in the manual someplace but I can't say, you know how us guys are about reading the manual.
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I'll fill in the blank: AWD helped me drift/have an absolute blast on the snow (& Ice driving on frozen lakes). RWD is great for warm/sunny weather M3Cx is the best of both worlds. HOWEVER, it doesn't have a manual which is a true shame (and why I plan to buy a toy for summer - likely a Z4MR when I find the right deal).
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If having a stick is not a primary decision point, get the AWD. This is not BMW's first effort at AWD; on the street, the differences will be imperceptible to subtle at best. It'll hardly spoil the experience of an occasional track day.
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