[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Lol. 1 of them. But if you don't have your own GT3, you not in the running😉🤣

Now that's an ADM. lol.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Lol! Looks like he's SOL for the time being. If he wants her bad enough though, I can get him an allocation today at $75k-over MSRP. Better yet, my contact at another dealer will sell him a showroom GT3 with ADM that he can drive home tonight (…and pick your sister up in the process).

She won't fit it that car!! Jk jk

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

She won't fit it that car!! Jk jk

Savage!!!

[HudsonHornett]

Originally Posted by Wes335XI

I'm not trying to be rude, but you've either never drag raced or if you have, you've never launched a vehicle off the line. There was 0 wheel spin in the video. The car has 546HP… if the vehicle was launched, automatic or not, you should've have had some kind of wheel spin. The car that he's racing has nothing to do with how the vehicle was launched which is the most critical component in a drag race. It's too bad there wasn't a 60' time to look at.

I'm just going to blame the driver on this one and call it good. I'd love to see the M4 CSL on an actual drag strip though. I'd expect some decent results given the power.

By the way - what don't you like about the M4 CSL?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by DaWhole9

I said production because once you get into Tuners, like Manthey which did the ring 5 seconds faster than the standard GT3. And Porsche still has the GT3RS which is faster still.

Manthey is actually not a "tuner", they are fully owned by Porsche and theirs "kits" can be dealer ordered. So one could argue that the 992 GT3 MR is in fact a "production" car .

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Manthey is actually not a "tuner", they are fully owned by Porsche and theirs "kits" can be dealer ordered. So one could argue that the 992 GT3 MR is in fact a "production" car .

Are there many MR-kitted 911's running around up there in Canada?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Are there many MR-kitted 911's running around up there in Canada?

If I am not mistaken, they are only homologated in Europe.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

If I am not mistaken, they are only homologated in Europe.

You can order it in the States as well but not many dealers know about it unless you bring it up to them directly. As most GT owners in the States don't do that type of modding. But the MR kits here is a little different than the one offered in the EU from what I know.

[Bimmerfun82]

Sad for the M, it's a me too car pulling out rear seats and reducing weight over RWD. If they want a GT3 killer, re-emerge the Z8 in a quasi-AMG GTC form. This is great for a track version of the M4, but to pit against GT3 it looks silly… my x drive comp launches in 1st and is a rather violent experience. Perhaps M should have deleted a whole bunch of other weight and added x drive. The Porsche is really special and for csl feels like a marketing and profit ploy… I'm sure it's fun though

[FarsBimmer]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

100% agree. They became extremely boring to watch. Same can be said about Throttle House.

Unless it's a BMW crossing the line first.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

They get the wrong gear all the time. Most often with the R8 V10. They just don't understand drag race.

Agreed. GT3 starting in second gear it would pull away with ease...

A 3rd gear roll from a low MPH in a 9k rpm NA car is going leave it at a deficit to an underrated turbo car.

[Arcades]

For those saying you can get a 992 GT3 at MSRP, you are absolutely day dreaming.

Even on the East Coast dealerships you will pay ADM when the signing comes. The reason why they quote you MSRP is you are in FAR back of the line and you aren't ever guaranteed an allocation or car. You can wait 2 or even 3 years before you get news, if you are lucky. There is 0 chance you can get any GT cars at the moment at MSRP. Dealerships will gauge you for ADM money because they can. Sedan_Clan is right. No Porsche dealership right now are going to be willing to lose the markup money they can earn from you. Even if you are quoted MSRP price, the car isn't guaranteed to you because someone else will pay markup and take your allocation. If you just randomly talk to a dealership of course they will try to sell it to you as MSRP. Only dealerships you have worked/bought from before will tell you straight up how much you can expect to actually end up paying.

It is how it works with Porsche. It sucks, but there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. GMs and higher ups want $$ and Porsche have enough buyers who are far richer than you that can pay 350k markup on a 911 Sport Classic.

Lets not even talk about Porsche. The M4 CSL will be marked up too. Everything is, that is inflation. Until the market crashes, it is how it will be for at least another half a year.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Arcades

For those saying you can get a 992 GT3 at MSRP, you are absolutely day dreaming.

Even on the East Coast dealerships you will pay ADM when the signing comes. The reason why they quote you MSRP is you are in FAR back of the line and you aren't ever guaranteed an allocation or car. You can wait 2 or even 3 years before you get news, if you are lucky. There is 0 chance you can get any GT cars at the moment at MSRP. Dealerships will gauge you for ADM money because they can. Sedan_Clan is right. No Porsche dealership right now are going to be willing to lose the markup money they can earn from you. Even if you are quoted MSRP price, the car isn't guaranteed to you because someone else will pay markup and take your allocation. If you just randomly talk to a dealership of course they will try to sell it to you as MSRP. Only dealerships you have worked/bought from before will tell you straight up how much you can expect to actually end up paying.

It is how it works with Porsche. It sucks, but there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. GMs and higher ups want $$ and Porsche have enough buyers who are far richer than you that can pay 350k markup on a 911 Sport Classic.

Lets not even talk about Porsche. The M4 CSL will be marked up too. Everything is, that is inflation. Until the market crashes, it is how it will be for at least another half a year.

Yep! ….that's why I kind of balked at the idea of being on a list at MSRP.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by FarsBimmer

Unless it's a BMW crossing the line first.

I thought the BMW did cross line first all three times in the roll race? However, it was still boring to watch and no sane person would ever make a buying decision based on a random youtube drag race result.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yep! ….that's why I kind of balked at the idea of being on a list at MSRP.

Aside from that, floor sales people with Porsche generally have no authority when it comes to how much they can sell a Porsche GT car for without permission from the GSM and GM approval.

There was already a story about a buyer being promised by his CA that his 718 GT4 was going to be MSRP. When the car came, he was given the bad news by the GSM directly calling him saying the CA didn't have permission to offer the car at MSRP. I don't remember how the story ended but it was on Rennlist and the guy was extremely angry (as he should be).

Not only that, as I told Sedan in another thread on BP. Porsche dealerships can see all the cars nationwide on their internal computers. They can also see the price the car ended up being sold for generally, East... West doesn't matter. There is a reason why most cars or unique Porsche models sell within a certain price range because they all see it. Some may get special treatment, but that is rare. Don't expect to walk in and get it.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Aside from that, floor sales people with Porsche generally have no authority when it comes to how much they can sell a Porsche GT car for without permission from the GSM and GM approval.

There was already a story about a buyer being promised by his CA that his 718 GT4 was going to be MSRP. When the car came, he was given the bad news by the GSM directly calling him saying the CA didn't have permission to offer the car at MSRP. I don't remember how the story ended but it was on Rennlist and the guy was extremely angry (as he should be).

Not only that, as I told Sedan in another thread on BP. Porsche dealerships can see all the cars nationwide on their internal computers. They can also see the price the car ended up being sold for generally, East... West doesn't matter. There is a reason why most cars or unique Porsche models sell within a certain price range because they all see it. Some may get special treatment, but that is rare. Don't expect to walk in and get it.

True! My SA had to get GSM permission for the deal on my car. Fortunately both were friends with my BMW connect and had purchased cars from him before, so my deal was an outlier; a gracious favor. I just find the claims funny. You'd be hard pressed to acquire a non-GT Porsche without ADM, yet, people are making claims that a bunch of people are buying GT3's at MSRP. So much nonsense (….mostly coming from people who haven't ever owned a Porsche).

[Chicane_]

Capitalism doing its thing. So much talk about GT3s and ADMs, I'd swear this was Rennlist.

[mzcp]

Originally Posted by Arcades

You can order it in the States as well but not many dealers know about it unless you bring it up to them directly. As most GT owners in the States don't do that type of modding. But the MR kits here is a little different than the one offered in the EU from what I know.

Somebody said MR lol. I have seen one at Thermal

[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

True! My SA had to get GSM permission for the deal on my car. Fortunately both were friends with my BMW connect and had purchased cars from him before, so my deal was an outlier; a gracious favor. I just find the claims funny. You'd be hard pressed to acquire a non-GT Porsche without ADM, yet, people are making claims that a bunch of people are buying GT3's at MSRP. So much nonsense (….mostly coming from people who haven't ever owned a Porsche).

For those that are paying ADM on GT3s (or M4 CSL for that matter or any build), is the ADM decided at time of deposit, at time of allocation, or at time of delivery?

Why agree on an ADM for a car that's not even on the ground or if a build is almost a year out? I get paying it if you need instant gratification and the car is on the lot.

In regards to getting a car at MSRP, I can only speak for myself and what I was told plus whatever I've read when looking at price paid threads. If people are lying I guess that's they're prerogative. I'm not calling dealerships to verify purchase prices or cross examining the validity of their statements.

I was told MSRP. If I get the allocation, the car gets built and delivered and I'm surprised with an ADM at pickup, i won't buy the car. If someone else wants to pay it, they can. If anything, I'll reach out to sedan_clan to offer him the car. I don't get the big deal here.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

For those that are paying ADM on GT3s (or M4 CSL for that matter or any build), is the ADM decided at time of deposit, at time of allocation, or at time of delivery?

Why agree on an ADM for a car that's not even on the ground or if a build is almost a year out? I get paying it if you need instant gratification and the car is on the lot.

In regards to getting a car at MSRP, I can only speak for myself and what I was told plus whatever I've read when looking at price paid threads. If people are lying I guess that's they're prerogative. I'm not calling dealerships to verify purchase prices or cross examining the validity of their statements.

I was told MSRP. If I get the allocation, the car gets built and delivered and I'm surprised with an ADM at pickup, i won't buy the car. If someone else wants to pay it, they can. If anything, I'll reach out to sedan_clan to offer him the car. I don't get the big deal here.

ADM can be decided and implemented at any time before you sign on the dotted line. Porsche dealerships, in general, aren't seriously considering the people on MSRP "lists". There are outlier examples, sure, but they are such a small percentage that it's not even worth factoring in.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

It's always the same thing on this site. Lol. If whatever M car loses a drag race all the fanboys " it's not made for that. It will do this and that on the track"
Now we are drag racing the CSL? I always thought the car was decent at both? To me, there is not a single day or reason I would pick the CSL over the GT3. 1 is the prom queen/ cheerleader/slut the other is Karen.

In that case, to be polite, WTF are you doing here? You should be making love to your prom queen

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Wes335XI

I'm not trying to be rude, but you've either never drag raced or if you have, you've never launched a vehicle off the line. There was 0 wheel spin in the video. The car has 546HP… if the vehicle was launched, automatic or not, you should've have had some kind of wheel spin. The car that he's racing has nothing to do with how the vehicle was launched which is the most critical component in a drag race. It's too bad there wasn't a 60' time to look at.

I'm just going to blame the driver on this one and call it good. I'd love to see the M4 CSL on an actual drag strip though. I'd expect some decent results given the power.

First smart comment on this thread

Faith in humanity; somewhat restored!!