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      10-01-2022, 03:09 AM   #1
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M4 CSL vs. 911 GT3: Drag Race & Roll Race [Carwow]

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Carwow put the M4 CSL up against the Porsche 911 GT3 in a drag race.

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Carwow put the M4 CSL up against the Porsche 911 GT3 in a drag
I did not expect the CSL to launch so poorly, nor pull away so hard on the roll. Thought the cars would be closer in each test.
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It's like a step back in time to the Fxx drag races we all had to suffer…
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      10-01-2022, 05:43 AM   #4
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Damn that GT3 is incredible.
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Results are as expected. CSL on PS4S, GT3 on Goodyear’s Cup 2 equivalents. Even on Cup 2 R, CSL would’ve still lagged behind on the launch due to the GT3’s drivetrain and weight advantages.

The formidable CSL roll performance is one heck of a consolation prize.
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      10-01-2022, 06:25 AM   #6
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That was pointless but fun! Also, you'd expect a GT3 to beat most things off the line - superior weight distribution for launches and light and powerful too!
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It’s just like launching in the Supra. Launch control is a marketing gimmick. Throw her into second with vsc completely disable, hold brake, bring rpm up to 2500-3000, you’ll have a car that beats the gt3 no problem. That car left softer than a 95 year old at a strip club.

TP should be around 21psi
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11.7 is slow (but that's for traction) so is the gt3's 11.4 (that's really engine incompetence). The CSL or even the comp should walk away from the gt3 no questions about it. The 4.0L NA shows its age.

Carwow never understood the importance of showing trap speed. So the drag races of theirs have always been not high quality from a technical perspective.
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Curious to see if there was a software issue...but a Porsche always nails the launch every time the exact same.
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11.7 is slow (but that's for traction) so is the gt3's 11.4 (that's really engine incompetence). The CSL or even the comp should walk away from the gt3 no questions about it. The 4.0L NA shows its age.

Carwow never understood the importance of showing trap speed. So the drag races of theirs have always been not high quality from a technical perspective.
A comp can walk away from a GT3? Are you sure about that?
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Turbo engines do have an advantage on roll races due their fat power curves, there is no denying that.

However, the way CarWOW stages its races puts the GT3 at a disadvantage due to the selected gears and does not properly depict the performance difference between these two cars. The pull from 50mph in 3rd gear has the GT3 lugging at 4,300rpm, less than half of its redline and well below the meat of the power band. The result would have been different if the GT3 would have been in 2nd gear instead @ 5,900rpm. Even the 40mph pull would have been different if the GT3 would have been in 1st gear @ 7,500rpm. Not saying the GT3 would necessarily be in front, but at least there would much less gap.
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A comp can walk away from a GT3? Are you sure about that?
Idk if he can be sure about it, but I do think a X drive comp g8x should beat a GT3 off the line.

Regardless, if I had a choice between the 2 cars, I’d go for the gt3 hands down. It’s just so much more than the speed, the experience in it can’t be matched. Recently was in a 991.1 gt3 and blown away at the engine note, handling and the PDK. Can’t imagine how amazing the 992 gt3 is
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Turbo engines do have an advantage on roll races due their fat power curves, there is no denying that.

However, the way CarWOW stages its races puts the GT3 at a disadvantage due to the selected gears and does not properly depict the performance difference between these two cars. The pull from 50mph in 3rd gear has the GT3 lugging at 4,000rpm, less than half of its redline and well below the meat of the power band. The result would have been different if the GT3 would have been in 2nd gear instead @ 5,600rpm. Even the 40mph pull would have been different if the GT3 would in 1st @ 7,000rpm. Not saying the GT3 would necessarily be in front, but at least there would much less gap.
They get the wrong gear all the time. Most often with the R8 V10. They just don't understand drag race.
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GT3 smoked that fat pig at its own game hahahah
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11.7 is slow (but that's for traction) so is the gt3's 11.4 (that's really engine incompetence). The CSL or even the comp should walk away from the gt3 no questions about it. The 4.0L NA shows its age.

Carwow never understood the importance of showing trap speed. So the drag races of theirs have always been not high quality from a technical perspective.
I think these cars are totally different tools. They are based on gt cars (at least the Porsche) where they are limited by balance of performance (bop) (the actual group gt3 rules) and these cars are built to closely match that. Light weight and less power or more weight with more power as long as the bop formula is adhered to, some manufacturers use lower end torque with turbos while some use high revs for power.

The 4.0 N.A. is perfect. Nothing about its age is showing. You can get the 3.8 turbo s but the car has to weigh more for the group gt3 class, however there is a car built for just more power and less weight the gt2rs, you can get a car with more aero and maintain the bop but break the assisted adjusted aero rules (gt3rs).
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11.7 is slow (but that's for traction) so is the gt3's 11.4 (that's really engine incompetence). The CSL or even the comp should walk away from the gt3 no questions about it. The 4.0L NA shows its age.

Carwow never understood the importance of showing trap speed. So the drag races of theirs have always been not high quality from a technical perspective.
"4.0 shows its age"???? Seriously? That pesky 4.0 destroys nearly anything on track including higher hp forced induction competition.....
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Apples vs Oranges. Maybe I just don't get it... Fun to watch though.
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Carwow is showing its age, they need to start including trap speed and 60-130 times as well. They have all the equipment and funding to make it more technical, but I guess they’re still aiming for a dumbed down audience.
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They did perform a rip from second gear.

just because something cost more and is prettier to the eye doesn't mean that it's better and this is what Porsche owners need to understand.

If you do research on BMW history and Porsche history, Bmw has been struggling because they do not have a big brother pouring tons of money into research and development like Porsche. Porsche, we're by themselves. They will be behind Bmw at this point.. This is not upset anyone I'm just sharing with you. I predict in the next 6 to 8 years Bmw will pass Porsche if Bmw gets her head back in the game start developing proper road cars and stop trying to cater to all the weirdos who buy $2000 sneakers and throw them in the trash..

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Carwow is showing its age, they need to start including trap speed and 60-130 times as well. They have all the equipment and funding to make it more technical, but I guess they’re still aiming for a dumbed down audience.
100% agree. They became extremely boring to watch. Same can be said about Throttle House.
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Turbo engines do have an advantage on roll races due their fat power curves, there is no denying that.

However, the way CarWOW stages its races puts the GT3 at a disadvantage due to the selected gears and does not properly depict the performance difference between these two cars. The pull from 50mph in 3rd gear has the GT3 lugging at 4,300rpm, less than half of its redline and well below the meat of the power band. The result would have been different if the GT3 would have been in 2nd gear instead @ 5,900rpm. Even the 40mph pull would have been different if the GT3 would have been in 1st gear @ 7,500rpm. Not saying the GT3 would necessarily be in front, but at least there would much less gap.
True, but watching at 100-200km/h time for both cars, the GT3 would still be "destroyed" because with 6,59 sec. the CSL is in another league and holding its own with the big boys such as M5CS!



I guess you know German, but the guy also states that the ZF in CSL is even faster than DCT!

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but I do think a X drive comp g8x should beat a GT3 off the line.
that was my experience running with some GT3s at the track. Not off the line but coming off a 65mph corner onto a long straight I could easily pass GT3s in my Xdrive. At first I was a bit shocked given the weight difference but the gearing makes sense, could have been the pcar drivers pussyfooting it too lol
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