[GolfCoyote]

Originally Posted by Megahurtz

The DME limits power in stock form...most modern cars actually do this. The OEM calibration allows a max amount of torque/hp and will limit timing, throttle, wastegate duty etc to keep power below the threshold. So even if these add power, which they do when tuned and turning up the boost, they are mostly useless on a stock tune. The only advantage is if you have aftermarket intakes for the sound, these inlets will give you a louder bypass valve "woosh" sound over the stock inlets.


Now tuned, without the DME limiting the power, these inlets reduce WGDC. Pair it with downpipes, mid, intake....they all reduce the work the turbo has to do. This will result in more power and a faster car than tuned cars without these mods. Simply because you need less exhaust to go through the turbines to reach boost levels which results in a less restrictive path for the exhaust to exit.

Still not convinced, Bend calibration recommends the factory intake with drop in filters when tuning,

I just saw AMS dropped their new intake that comes with turbo inlets and they are claiming up to 86whp over stock. I assume that’s the potential based on flow testing. But interesting nonetheless

Edit: I say all this having gone through 3 different intake and being tuned, so I’m not poopooing on them I mainly just want companies to provide data instead of the “it totally makes a difference, take our word for it” we often get.

[///M4Lou]

Originally Posted by Megahurtz

The DME limits power in stock form...most modern cars actually do this. The OEM calibration allows a max amount of torque/hp and will limit timing, throttle, wastegate duty etc to keep power below the threshold. So even if these add power, which they do when tuned and turning up the boost, they are mostly useless on a stock tune. The only advantage is if you have aftermarket intakes for the sound, these inlets will give you a louder bypass valve "woosh" sound over the stock inlets.


Now tuned, without the DME limiting the power, these inlets reduce WGDC. Pair it with downpipes, mid, intake....they all reduce the work the turbo has to do. This will result in more power and a faster car than tuned cars without these mods. Simply because you need less exhaust to go through the turbines to reach boost levels which results in a less restrictive path for the exhaust to exit.

When I swapped to my Mishi intake - that Mishi had flow tested "more than stock - IDK if that was stock w/ paper filters or not" if flowed more on their flow bench. When they dyno'd the new intake - it was the same power. Because, as you say, the DME controls power and limits it.

Now, when I did swap it - I was in the latter stages of doing a tune w/ Paul Johnson's team. Data logging, etc. They said - "yes" we can tell you made the change and adjusted up my tune for the increased flow. Now - what they specifically saw - I'm too stupid/uninformed to know..

IMHO - I do think there is a chance that "some" of the intakes do increase flow and allow for a better tune. Maybe even some exhausts that have higher flow/less restrictions and will increase HP from a good tune.


EDIT: here it is -

"The boost control changed a bit with the intake so I made some changes to accommodate for that."

[shaunee]

It's all about increasing airflow, so a)the turbo doesn't need to work so hard to make x boost and can be more efficient and/or b)making use of any given increase in efficiency to achieve more turbo flow and then ultimately power.

Just banging on (without doing anything else) a more free flowing intake or turbo inlet pipe on this platform, won't give you any more power in reality (although it may give you better turbo efficiency, by lowering wastegate duty). Any more power left on the table will only be found with changes to your map, imo.

[SwankPeRFection]

It’s all about volumetric efficiency. The engine is a pump. Help it work easier and you get returns either in the form of more power or faster response time for said power.

[nights234]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

That's why we plan to release two options. Inlets similar to the ftp and inlets that work with a full intake system so there is no size reduction on the intake side.

Something for everyone.

Any idea when these may be released by chance? Was going to get your intakes and ftp inlets but since you doing intakes that come with them rather wait. Looking forward to them!

[Info@mad-us.com]

Originally Posted by nights234

Any idea when these may be released by chance? Was going to get your intakes and ftp inlets but since you doing intakes that come with them rather wait. Looking forward to them!

Testing them next week. Likely 2 months out but as always price will be worth the wait.

[munizfire]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

Testing them next week. Likely 2 months out but as always price will be worth the wait.

I'll be on the lookout!

[Retired Navy]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

Testing them next week. Likely 2 months out but as always price will be worth the wait.

Is this new intake going to be similar to your current carbon fiber one with closed air boxes?

[meadowsdb]

So,

I got my MMX Turbo inlets installed on my E-50 tuned and built M3. Promptly, I went and got a touch-up tune to check everything out......holy hell....the car picked up SOLID power and now considerably more oomph when driving. The snails spool so smoothly now that even in comfort mode there is INSTANT torque at any speed, gear, and throttle.

I love them.

If anyone is in the Los Angeles area and wants to check the car out, let me know.

[SLE3PER]

Originally Posted by ///M4Lou

When I swapped to my Mishi intake - that Mishi had flow tested "more than stock - IDK if that was stock w/ paper filters or not" if flowed more on their flow bench. When they dyno'd the new intake - it was the same power. Because, as you say, the DME controls power and limits it.

Now, when I did swap it - I was in the latter stages of doing a tune w/ Paul Johnson's team. Data logging, etc. They said - "yes" we can tell you made the change and adjusted up my tune for the increased flow. Now - what they specifically saw - I'm too stupid/uninformed to know..

IMHO - I do think there is a chance that "some" of the intakes do increase flow and allow for a better tune. Maybe even some exhausts that have higher flow/less restrictions and will increase HP from a good tune.


EDIT: here it is -

"The boost control changed a bit with the intake so I made some changes to accommodate for that."

I also have the Mishi intakes. I read in another post that you added the MMX on the front turbo since Mishi doesn’t add them to their kit. Were you able to just order one by itself since we don’t need two?

[///M4Lou]

Originally Posted by SLE3PER

I also have the Mishi intakes. I read in another post that you added the MMX on the front turbo since Mishi doesn’t add them to their kit. Were you able to just order one by itself since we don’t need two?

No - I ordered the kit. From Mike - good deal over black Friday, etc.

That front mount - esp the MMX is an ass whipping. Putting the stock front turbo inlet on is not that bad. There is one bolt on the MMX that is super tight on clearance.

I'm gonna log and get Paul and his guys at PJTunes to check it out. Unlike the last guy, I didn't notice angels singing or whatever. I think it'll gain, just not some super high-speed deal.

[Cartman417209]

Originally Posted by meadowsdb

So,

I got my MMX Turbo inlets installed on my E-50 tuned and built M3. Promptly, I went and got a touch-up tune to check everything out......holy hell....the car picked up SOLID power and now considerably more oomph when driving. The snails spool so smoothly now that even in comfort mode there is INSTANT torque at any speed, gear, and throttle.

I love them.

If anyone is in the Los Angeles area and wants to check the car out, let me know.

Doubtful

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by Cartman417209

Doubtful

They just upped his tune.
We all know that inlets would add maybe 20HP for a fully built racecar with big twins…and only at the top end of the powerband. It’s only millimeters of difference for the internal diameters. For a street car or anyone with stock turbos the upgraded inlets do pretty much nothing.

[///M4Lou]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

They just upped his tune.
We all know that inlets would add maybe 20HP for a fully built racecar with big twins…and only at the top end of the powerband. It’s only millimeters of difference for the internal diameters. For a street car or anyone with stock turbos the upgraded inlets do pretty much nothing.

Three millimeters difference for the MMX inlets. Both front and rear - the side that fits into the turbo's. If you look at the Eventuri inlets, the part that fits into the turbo housing "looks" stockish as far as diameter.

Everyone pimps the huge diameters that articulate w/ the air intake side. I mean, if you look at the Poiseulle formula (I'm no engineer, that's on record) flow is really limited to the smallest diameter - not the fattest parts.

[SwankPeRFection]

Originally Posted by ///M4Lou

Three millimeters difference for the MMX inlets. Both front and rear - the side that fits into the turbo's. If you look at the Eventuri inlets, the part that fits into the turbo housing "looks" stockish as far as diameter.

Everyone pimps the huge diameters that articulate w/ the air intake side. I mean, if you look at the Poiseulle formula (I'm no engineer, that's on record) flow is really limited to the smallest diameter - not the fattest parts.

Except that formula applies to fluids and not gasses. So, do this as a simple real life test. Get a straw of a certain diameter and length and then get a funnel with the same diameter as the straw on one end but much bigger on the other as a funnel should be and then try breathing through each one. Tell me which is easier. 😉

To go a step further, if my thinking is right, it would actually take more force to suck up a fluid in the funnel scenario vs the straw, so the rules are actually reversed between fluids and gasses with this… 🤔

[G80b]

Inlets going on today along with decats and midpipe

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by G80b

Inlets going on today along with decats and midpipe

[AlpineG05]

Originally Posted by G80b

Inlets going on today along with decats and midpipe

You’ll love the sound. I have the MMX inlets with open carbon intakes plus the Alpha N carbon hood. The sound is intoxicating.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by AlpineG05

You’ll love the sound. I have the MMX inlets with open carbon intakes plus the Alpha N carbon hood. The sound is intoxicating.

Vids or your lying

[GolfCoyote]

Interesting that people rant and rave about the noise difference the turbo inlets make. I honestly cannot tell a difference between how the OEM ones sound VS AMS. Maybe working around jet engines did more to my ears than I realized.

[shaunee]

I can very hear a subtle difference with the MMX inlets on, but I had hybrid turbos and the MMX intake pipes (to stock airboxes) installed at the same time. It makes a subtle whistle noise now, but you really have to listen for it.

Personally, I don't want any extra "boy racer" noise, so it suits me fine.

Stealth is what it's about for me.

[pdjafari]

Originally Posted by ///M4Lou

No - I ordered the kit. From Mike - good deal over black Friday, etc.

That front mount - esp the MMX is an ass whipping. Putting the stock front turbo inlet on is not that bad. There is one bolt on the MMX that is super tight on clearance.

I'm gonna log and get Paul and his guys at PJTunes to check it out. Unlike the last guy, I didn't notice angels singing or whatever. I think it'll gain, just not some super high-speed deal.

Ordered the Mishi intake from EAS and I believe they include a larger inlet on the passenger so if I ordered the MMX, would the Mishi fit on the driver side ? Not sure the larger inlet would match up to my Mishi intake