[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by itsrichierich

My wife is expecting delivery of her 2025 M3 in a few days. Right off the bat, she wants to have Ohlins R/T installed.

Are there any other components needed when installing the coilovers besides camber plates?

You can install the Ohlins R&T using stock upper mounts. No plates are needed for street duty unless she is going to autocross or track.

Remember to reach out to us for a quote for Ohlins R&T.

[itsrichierich]

Originally Posted by HP Autosport

You can install the Ohlins R&T using stock upper mounts. No plates are needed for street duty unless she is going to autocross or track.

Remember to reach out to us for a quote for Ohlins R&T.

Thank you for that. You mind sending me a quote? My email is rich@agatools.com

Thanks!

[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by itsrichierich

Thank you for that. You mind sending me a quote? My email is rich@agatools.com

Thanks!

Email incoming!

[thegoose]

Originally Posted by M3rray

This is how my car sits now with the ohlins. Still fine tuning the height.

That looks amazing, get any rubbing when reversing on full lock?

[M3rray]

Originally Posted by thegoose

That looks amazing, get any rubbing when reversing on full lock?

Yea at full lock it rubs. But I’m used to it it rubbed when I have KW Has kit too.

[S58King]

Originally Posted by M3rray

Yea at full lock it rubs. But I’m used to it it rubbed when I have KW Has kit too.

trim your cooler guards and leave it exposed or buy the shield from aliexpress for $90 takes 30 minutes to istall and the rub goes away

[markw10702]

Originally Posted by SG80

I am looking into getting the Ohlins R&T or the KW V3 coil-overs. Not the best road conditions around here, so I am looking for something that will still be fairly comfortable to daily drive. I am leaning towards Ohlins but have heard the higher spring rates can be a bit jarring. Anyone have experience with these options?

I would skip both of these and go MCS. Bimmerworld has a setup for either the street or the track.

https://www.bimmerworld.com/BimmerWo...G8X-M3-M4.html

This will be lightyears ahead of both Ohlins and KW.

[M3rray]

Originally Posted by S58King

trim your cooler guards and leave it exposed or buy the shield from aliexpress for $90 takes 30 minutes to istall and the rub goes away

I actually ignored it for so long my tires ripped the slots off that they were hitting lol. So it’s just exposed right now

[SG80]

Originally Posted by markw10702

I would skip both of these and go MCS. Bimmerworld has a setup for either the street or the track.

https://www.bimmerworld.com/BimmerWo...G8X-M3-M4.html

This will be lightyears ahead of both Ohlins and KW.

Do you have experience with MCS on this platform?

[markw10702]

Originally Posted by SG80

Do you have experience with MCS on this platform?

Reasonable question, but no, not on the G8x. My experience is with the E30 and E46 platforms as well as the NA1 NSX platform. Based on my years of experience and many hundreds of track miles with MCS I would not hesitate to recommend them. Also, given Bimmerworld's extensive use of MCS on their cars I would trust their solutions over some "speed shop" pushing inferior brands.

MCS is US based so rebuilds, parts and service are readily available (even from Canada).

The closest Ohlins comes to MCS performance is with their TTX series. As far as KW is concerned, most of their v1 - v5 series (including Clubsport variants) are a close second to MCS, but the benefit of US-based servicing (for me) makes MCS a superior choice. A huge secondary benefit is the spring range that the valving will accommodate before a re-valve is necessary. This gives you broad flexibility to experiment with different spring rates should you want to.

Some will call me a fan-boy, but that won't hurt my feelings. I know what works for the track, and given your cited rough roads the MCS design will give you the best ride possible, even with spring rates that you would consider too stiff for the street. MCS is a one-and-done solution, whereas I've read more than enough accounts of how people starting out on Ohlins R&T dumped them for MCS due to the poor ride quality of the Ohlins to know I would not use their R&T line of dampers. Quality-wise MCS blows KW out of the water, so for the money I'd pass on KW and go directly to MCS.

At the end of the day everyone has a different opinion on what dampers are best (kind of like oil and oil filters). What works for me, may not work for you. I get that. That's the great thing about a forum like this is you get a range of advice and opinions in order to make an informed decision.

[SE7EN335]

Originally Posted by markw10702

Reasonable question, but no, not on the G8x. My experience is with the E30 and E46 platforms as well as the NA1 NSX platform. Based on my years of experience and many hundreds of track miles with MCS I would not hesitate to recommend them. Also, given Bimmerworld's extensive use of MCS on their cars I would trust their solutions over some "speed shop" pushing inferior brands.

MCS is US based so rebuilds, parts and service are readily available (even from Canada).

The closest Ohlins comes to MCS performance is with their TTX series. As far as KW is concerned, most of their v1 - v5 series (including Clubsport variants) are a close second to MCS, but the benefit of US-based servicing (for me) makes MCS a superior choice. A huge secondary benefit is the spring range that the valving will accommodate before a re-valve is necessary. This gives you broad flexibility to experiment with different spring rates should you want to.

Some will call me a fan-boy, but that won't hurt my feelings. I know what works for the track, and given your cited rough roads the MCS design will give you the best ride possible, even with spring rates that you would consider too stiff for the street. MCS is a one-and-done solution, whereas I've read more than enough accounts of how people starting out on Ohlins R&T dumped them for MCS due to the poor ride quality of the Ohlins to know I would not use their R&T line of dampers. Quality-wise MCS blows KW out of the water, so for the money I'd pass on KW and go directly to MCS.

At the end of the day everyone has a different opinion on what dampers are best (kind of like oil and oil filters). What works for me, may not work for you. I get that. That's the great thing about a forum like this is you get a range of advice and opinions in order to make an informed decision.

Based on my own research and experiences, my personal hierachy on the Ohlins v KW v MCS debate goes like this:

KW V3 < MCS 1WNR < Ohlins R&T < MCS 2WNR < MCS 2WR < KW V4 Non-CS < MCS 3WR < KW V4 CS < Ohlins TTX < MCS 4WR < KW V5 CS.

KW are in the bottom of the tier for low-end coilovers but are in the top of the tier for high-end coilovers.

I would have easily went for MCS if they were easily serviceable in Oz. Ohlins rebuilding and servicing down here is very easy - that's why I always go for Ohlins

[AhsanU]

Originally Posted by markw10702

Reasonable question, but no, not on the G8x. My experience is with the E30 and E46 platforms as well as the NA1 NSX platform. Based on my years of experience and many hundreds of track miles with MCS I would not hesitate to recommend them. Also, given Bimmerworld's extensive use of MCS on their cars I would trust their solutions over some "speed shop" pushing inferior brands.

MCS is US based so rebuilds, parts and service are readily available (even from Canada).

The closest Ohlins comes to MCS performance is with their TTX series. As far as KW is concerned, most of their v1 - v5 series (including Clubsport variants) are a close second to MCS, but the benefit of US-based servicing (for me) makes MCS a superior choice. A huge secondary benefit is the spring range that the valving will accommodate before a re-valve is necessary. This gives you broad flexibility to experiment with different spring rates should you want to.

Some will call me a fan-boy, but that won't hurt my feelings. I know what works for the track, and given your cited rough roads the MCS design will give you the best ride possible, even with spring rates that you would consider too stiff for the street. MCS is a one-and-done solution, whereas I've read more than enough accounts of how people starting out on Ohlins R&T dumped them for MCS due to the poor ride quality of the Ohlins to know I would not use their R&T line of dampers. Quality-wise MCS blows KW out of the water, so for the money I'd pass on KW and go directly to MCS.

At the end of the day everyone has a different opinion on what dampers are best (kind of like oil and oil filters). What works for me, may not work for you. I get that. That's the great thing about a forum like this is you get a range of advice and opinions in order to make an informed decision.

Thanks for the insight.

What are your thoughts on Nitron? I've been looking at their R3 and am more beginner entering intermediate levels of skill, but also daily drive my G80.

[markw10702]

Originally Posted by SE7EN335

I would have easily went for MCS if they were easily serviceable in Oz. Ohlins rebuilding and servicing down here is very easy - that's why I always go for Ohlins

Totally agree. Rebuilding and servicing should be a top 5 priority when choosing dampers, especially if you track your car. If you get easy access to Ohlins service, then it makes good sense to choose their products.

[markw10702]

Originally Posted by AhsanU

Thanks for the insight.

What are your thoughts on Nitron? I've been looking at their R3 and am more beginner entering intermediate levels of skill, but also daily drive my G80.

Unfortunately no experience with Nitron although there are others on this forum who do. I know Nitron is well known in Europe and is used in Motorsports applications there.

If Nitron is the direction you take, make sure they have a US service center.

[markw10702]

Originally Posted by SE7EN335

Based on my own research and experiences, my personal hierachy on the Ohlins v KW v MCS debate goes like this:

KW V3 < MCS 1WNR < Ohlins R&T < MCS 2WNR < MCS 2WR < KW V4 Non-CS < MCS 3WR < KW V4 CS < Ohlins TTX < MCS 4WR < KW V5 CS.

I am going to disagree with your analysis from the perspective that the following are not true motorsports dampers (i.e. high-end) and therefore are not superior to the competition you indicated:

Ohlins R&T
KW V4 Non-CS
KW V4 CS
KW V5 CS

A "clubsport" designation does not make it a high end motorsports level damper. KW has their own line of motorsports level dampers that are not typically available through the retail channel.

Only MCS and Ohlins TTX are designed first and foremost as motorsport level dampers.

Maybe we are talking apples to oranges here. Certainly for road-only use either the Ohlins R&T or KW line is more than adequate. It is once you cross over to adding the track (race) component that these dampers come up short to MCS or Ohlins TTX.

[SE7EN335]

Originally Posted by markw10702

I am going to disagree with your analysis from the perspective that the following are not true motorsports dampers (i.e. high-end) and therefore are not superior to the competition you indicated:

Ohlins R&T
KW V4 Non-CS
KW V4 CS
KW V5 CS

A "clubsport" designation does not make it a high end motorsports level damper. KW has their own line of motorsports level dampers that are not typically available through the retail channel.

Only MCS and Ohlins TTX are designed first and foremost as motorsport level dampers.

Maybe we are talking apples to oranges here. Certainly for road-only use either the Ohlins R&T or KW line is more than adequate. It is once you cross over to adding the track (race) component that these dampers come up short to MCS or Ohlins TTX.

Ok let me reiterate. Lower tier coilovers are in this order of hierachy

KW V3 is 4th place (worst)
MCS 1WNR is 3rd
Ohlins R&T is 2nd
MCS 2WNR is 1st (best)

For lower-mid tier coilovers are in this order (MCS dominates this segment):

MCS 2WR is 3rd place (worst)
KW V4 Non-CS is 2nd place
MCS 3WR is 1st place (best)

[nick///M3]

For the past several months I am researching what suspension is will use to "upgrade" from stock shocks and m performance HAS ( with cs coding lately thanks to chris. Actually the cs coding is step towards the right direction for me regarding the bump characteristics when in sport mode )

I am looking more to the high end stuff but my shop in athens was telling me I must get a V4 from kw because it can do what I want.

What i want is a bit difficult to describe, but the best way I can put it in words is imagine you have an air suspension ( like my panamera turbo used to have ) lower it more than normal ( module ) and put it to sport plus. This gives you a feeling that the car is really hugging the road, it's tight but in no way crashy or jarring, absorbs the imperfections and when you hit a pothole or a manhole or go over angulations your liver and your teeth stay in place, and you don't jump around in your seat.
And if I have the ability to add a lift kit for the front in there it would be great.

One of my options was the kw v4.
My shop had an f82 M4 the other day for a v4 instalation.
When they finished they called me to have a ride with the f82 and compare it back to back with my car. The car was set at the suggested street/comfort settings with the difference of 1 click harder rebound in the back.
When the road was smooth and the speed was slow everything was fine. Tight ironed out the small stuff, little chassis movement/controled.
BUT when we went over a pothole with more than 30km Jesus christ. The car felt really bad. The car felt like it was over from suspension travel and without any control.
It jumped and came back down quick/hard/harsh. It made me feel like I was back in 1999 with my e36 m3 that was like riding on wooden suspension.

Last time I used a kw product on my car was around 2005 on my e46 M3 again with bad impression. The solution for that car came from a slightly revalved oem csl shocks and a set of eibach springs. Again after trying out kw, bilstein, tein and everything else in between.

Then I turned to ohlins for my e92 , then I revalved the ohlins based on a proposal from HP motorsport with new spring rates and it was superb, and then moved to other car brands for some years, that I did not touch the suspension at all.

Unless there is a big difference in kw v4 for the g80 compared to the f82 then kw is out of the question, at least for me. My car is on really bad roads and this makes it tougher to change the oem suspension but i will try to find a solution.

Now I am looking at

Tractive with their smart systems ( plug and play, but also stand alone) - with lift kit


Jrz active suspension ( amazing comments but too much money) - with lift kit


Ohlins ttx but revalved and sprung for the street ( too much money again ) - no lift

Ohlins something else ( I have no idea what, waiting from my dealer here in athens to tell me [[here i have to say thay the absolute best suspension that i have ever experienced in a car was in his own subaru impreza and rs6 with an ohlins kit that he made. Oh my god talk about divine feeling and connection to the road. Rides like a rolls, amazing cornering ability and speed through the corners and at the same time when you see a pothole you aim for it and not go around it. Something from wrc tarmac rally spec suspension in both of his cars , i don't know exactly what.]] ) - no lift

MCS 2 way remote for the street ( based on comments about road compliance everywhere, again street is priority) - maybe a lift kit

And I found something new ( at least for me ) dsc sport company that have an edc module that actually works really really well ( especially on the 911's ) and it's the least expensive option from all the above ( can be used in conjunction with tractive suspension as well )