911 GT3 vs M4 CSL: Track Battle by Auto Trader

Jason · 05-13-2023, 02:51 PM

jmh600cbr · 05-13-2023, 03:11 PM

Currently I own and track my dd g80 6MT. Have a gt3 on order. Very please that this video shows I’m making a good choice.

supershaft · 05-13-2023, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jmh600cbr

Currently I own and track my dd g80 6MT. Have a gt3 on order. Very please that this video shows I’m making a good choice.

you are gonna love it. ive done a track day already and got another one coming up next month. it's an absolute beast

NathObeaN · 05-13-2023, 04:26 PM

Surprised to see this post on here as a front page article in all honesty. It highlights the CSL as a complete misstep. You would think after 20 years BMW would have done a better job. Then again, the XM is the first dedicated M car since the M1… and look how that turned out.

M6-Coupe · 05-13-2023, 04:31 PM

Nice
Amazing video but how many people and how often take a +150k car to track?
No matter which car wins the battle I believe both cars are amazing and its ablessing to own …

2008M36MT · 05-13-2023, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NathObeaN

Surprised to see this post on here as a front page article in all honesty. It highlights the CSL as a complete misstep. You would think after 20 years BMW would have done a better job. Then again, the XM is the first dedicated M car since the M1… and look how that turned out.

When has any top notch BMW product been remotely competitive with a top notch Porsche product? Same was the case for the GTS vs. GT3. It’s a different class of car, different price level, for a different customer.

G30M · 05-13-2023, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Nice
Amazing video but how many people and how often take a +150k car to track?

people with spare +$150k that buy +$150k car?

agree- not people who are taking a massive loan to get a $150k range rover those won't be taking the rovers to the mud but these guys have spare cash, they can afford to track and even race these cars.

i don't think the CSL is a very good track car so no they won't be tracking these, probably investing to on sell in the future ....

but what do i know, i don't have spare +$150k lying around. i just see know they do track expensive cars that are made for track.

cfm56d7b · 05-13-2023, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Nice
Amazing video but how many people and how often take a +150k car to track?
No matter which car wins the battle I believe both cars are amazing and its ablessing to own …

Could not have said this any better.

Sedan_Clan · 05-13-2023, 05:41 PM

Oh boy! More comments about how a BMW ///M product should match the GT3 (..or other dedicated Porsche GT product). This is such a two decade old tired argument.

TractionControlDelete · 05-13-2023, 06:22 PM

M4 CSL seems like a bit of a hooligan! I’m a fan

chris719 · 05-13-2023, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NathObeaN

Surprised to see this post on here as a front page article in all honesty. It highlights the CSL as a complete misstep. You would think after 20 years BMW would have done a better job. Then again, the XM is the first dedicated M car since the M1… and look how that turned out.

Marketing is winning the battle I think, unfortunately. This car is a nice M4 but IMO not deserving of the CSL badge.

The only reason to buy a CSL over a GT3 is because you can actually find one.

hufington · 05-13-2023, 06:52 PM

Both great cars but if I were on the market, GT3 all day everyday.

Sedan_Clan · 05-13-2023, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chris719

Marketing is winning the battle I think, unfortunately. This car is a nice M4 but IMO not deserving of the CSL badge.

The only reason to buy a CSL over a GT3 is because you can actually find one.

So what would make it deserving???

GT3's can be found much easier than a CSL. The problem is cost and usability; both of which make the proposition of a GT3 prohibitive to most people. While I agree that the CSL isn't going to be daily driven by the large majority of people who own the car, neither is the GT3. Most are garage queen brag-mobiles or Cars & Coffee trophies.

antzcrashing · 05-13-2023, 09:29 PM

The comments in this thread are pure dumpster fire

Meanwhile rhe CSL is as it was designed

Also meanwhile the Porsche Gt3 is as it was designed

All is well

Tallest · 05-14-2023, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chris719

Marketing is winning the battle I think, unfortunately. This car is a nice M4 but IMO not deserving of the CSL badge.

The only reason to buy a CSL over a GT3 is because you can actually find one.

Imagine if BMW looked as nice as GT3. It would be considered a much more comparable alternative. But it looks aggressive and expensive, and thats about it. Its not enough to play vs GT3.

G30M · 05-14-2023, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TractionControlDelete

M4 CSL seems like a bit of a hooligan! I’m a fan

hooligan = F82 M4 C in my books

Davil · 05-14-2023, 05:50 AM

What a surprise. It’s raining.

(I’d still take the CSL. Any day.)

ScullyD · 05-14-2023, 08:26 AM

I don’t think this was a bad review for the CSL. I do think people should stop trying to do road tests with this car in the wet, with the wrong seats. But it’s not winning a track battle with a GT3.

That said, on sticky rubber in the dry on a racetrack, it will feel more nuanced than sledgehammer is my guess.

MT6 · 05-14-2023, 10:13 AM

Comparisons videos are fun Porsche GT3 is different driving experience vs a BMW M4 CSL both are unique.

I would like to own a GT3 MT and Shelby GT 350 ….someday one day 😎

forcefed · 05-14-2023, 10:38 AM

Does it always rain in the uk? Second video about these cars and its raining in both of them

swagon · 05-14-2023, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Nice
Amazing video but how many people and how often take a +150k car to track?
No matter which car wins the battle I believe both cars are amazing and its ablessing to own …

At almost every track day I take my M3 to, there are nowadays more 991/992 GT cars than M3s... so yeah, many people take expensive cars out on circuits.

OTJeebus · 05-14-2023, 05:06 PM

I tracked my 991.2 gt3 occasionally, just took delivery of my 992 gt3 and I will do a few track days with it as well.

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