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Would it be obvious on a test drive? Are manual fans going to notice the difference in technology on the clutch pedal? |
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08-21-2020, 06:03 PM | #47 |
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Why does it sometimes flash N between gear changes?
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That could theoretically open up a number of interesting features, including shifting without the clutch pedal. If true, the car could be driven like an automated manual with an H gate in place of paddles/click-stick. Good catch. Maybe the ECU automatically closes the clutch if the transmission is out of gear for a specified period of time? |
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08-21-2020, 06:57 PM | #49 |
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I think that is just the sensor that tells the car (and driver) what gear it is in. By definition to get between gates the lever has to pass through neutral. Depending on the shift speed and refresh rate it occasionally notes it as the driver passes through.
Other manual cars that can track and show electronically what gear the transmission is in do this also, especially when shifted slowly |
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Ah - I wasn't aware of that. I admit, I haven't owned a vehicle with a manual transmission in over decade. I just figured it wouldn't register as being in specific gear, including neutral, until you let the clutch out. Thinking on it, I suppose that'd be less intuitive than simply telling you what position the stick is actually in (even if you never ultimately let the clutch out in that position).
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At any rate, if this car does have an electronically actuate-able clutch, that's pretty big news. |
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08-21-2020, 07:25 PM | #54 |
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In relation to the thread subject, with this amount of highly unexpected new electronic automation features to something as manual as the MT I would no longer be one bit surprised if the 48V full MHEV treatment show up later on in the G8X life cycle. This will not be a dull and stale 7 years...
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08-21-2020, 07:38 PM | #56 | |
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Keep a look out for S68 info. That's the S63 successor coming "soon" (some suggest F90 M5 CS, but I suspect it will wait until the G60-generation M5), and it's going to feature some type of electric assistance. Whether that's MHEV or PHEV hasn't yet become public. At any rate, I'd expect that the S58 will probably follow a similar path. It seems to me that the next generation of V8 powered M vehicles (those powered by the S68) would be likely to go directly to plug-in hybrid tech. I say that simply looking at the trajectory other high performance vehicles across the industry seem to be on over the next decade. If so, will there be a 48V mild hybrid stop in between? Maybe yes, but it also might not be necessary. Hard to say. |
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08-21-2020, 07:40 PM | #57 | |
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F8x does NOT have a neutral position sensor. It has a gear position sensor based on a Time from (Gear) - Time To (Gear) logic. Neutral is determined, and then displayed, if the second sequence is not fulfilled within the preset interval. The sampling rate is 100ms (1sec) with a normal calibration tolerance of 50% (0.5 sec). From that, it's possible to calculate the minimum time required to achieve a display of N during a complete gear change (>=3 seconds TF - TT). Now watch the video of the G82 again and compare deliberate slow shifts to fast shifts, with emphasis on 2-3, 3-4, 4-5. |
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I feel like this is throwing something out there. The S58 in the X3/4M has been discussed as being quite laggy at times. I think it reminds me of driving a 4G63T in an Evo but 50% bigger which I don't think is a bad thing at all but I wonder if this is the way BMW will get around this. I was surprised that the S58 had lower compression and bigger turbos with no other way to mitigate lag. On the other had, the early S55 M3/4 cars were generally regarded as quite spikey when boost came in - I definitely found this when I took one for a drive through some typical narrow NZ rural roads. So perhaps the extra lag isn't completely a bad thing if the boost comes in more progressively over a longer period of time. I'm starting to think if I can get ventilated seats and a 6MT that I might be keen to replace the M6 which would be a big thing for me! Or, fuck any sensibility at all and go for an 812
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I don't think there is much specific information out there but BMW did speak a bit about the 3/4/6 cylinder family all being related and the bore/stoke is 84mm and 90mm on them all.
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S58: 84x90 B57: 84x90 There's a few other members of the family out there concealed behind disclosure agreements. But which would you prefer, 480ps 6MT or 600ps 8PR? |
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