[klipseracer]

Going to a shop called, "Lopers" in the central Phoenix area. My boss has a vette he takes there and says they know what they are talking about. I called this guy today and I asked how much for three runs. He said they won't be doing just three runs. He said they will run it until they get an average. I assume he's going aiming to heatsoak my stock FMIC?? I didn't really understand that because I'm not requesting he tunes my car as I have a proceed on the way. He also asked if I have an O2 sensor bung on my car. I told him its all stock. he said they would install one. I think he's talking about hooking up a wideband in order for the dyno to work right. Anyway, he quoted me $200 for what I assume to be many runs. Anyone have any thoughts? Oh yeah, he also mentioned their dyno is calibrated every morning and I'm going in for my baseline.

Only mods I have on my car that could effect the dyno outcome:

19" VS7's
STETT CAI
******** BoV/Chargepipe

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by Nick.CBR

Uhhh... Doesn't that sound a little extreme? It does to me I guess. Tell him to just stick a probe in the right tail pipe (don't have to deal with the flapper) and call it good on the A/F monitoring. I don't think I would have him "install" a bung for his wide band O2.

No need to run the snot out of the car with 90 runs either; get your baseline after a few runs with cool down time (and a fan on the IC) and call it good. 3 "baseline" runs at any dyno here in Minneapolis is 75 bucks including strapping the car down.

This is a good read to prep:

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=488

Don't forget to post your results!! Make sure they run STD correction too so people can compare better here

Nick

So basically I need to get him to just put the sniffer in the right tailpipe, do a partial pedal up to 2k rpms then floor it without hitting the kick down and this needs to be in DS mode 4th gear? or M4?

And I'll need to pull the engine cover off so I can get a tach reading? I don't know if I have a usb drive. I had a 16gb voyager but someone jacked it from me.

[LostMarine]

$200 is way too much, tell him you just want 3-4 pulls, should be $60-80. If he knows what he is doing, he should know about the AFR reading from the tailpipe, and remind him of the kickdown switch..

[stimpy]

I agree with the above posters - his method is really overkill for what I believe you are going for. Couple runs for 60-80 bucks and call it a day.

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by Nick.CBR

Yep, just put the sniffer in the right pipe, bring the car up to speed using the paddles in DS, once it's in M4 just squeeze the throttle to the kickdown switch and hold it till redline. You'll like how it sounds even with stock exahust.

Yeah, 8mm hex if I remember - you just need to remove the front two and put his tach probe on the bundle of wires on the coil. I didn't know what I was doing and was able to make it work - lol.

The reason for the USB stick is to get the run files. If you can't get them oh well (maybe he can e-mail them to you if he's a nice guy). I think the best advice I could give is just let him do the job from there and try and stay out of the way He's done it a million times and doesn't need to hear "well, I read on the internet..." Just point out the specifics on the car (sniffer in right pipe, and don't hit the kick down switch) and you're aces.

Of courese, don't forget to post your numbers for all to see and pick apart!

Nick

Ok thanks everyone. How big are the run files anyway? Size wise.

[jblackwell]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

Going to a shop called, "Lopers" in the central Phoenix area. My boss has a vette he takes there and says they know what they are talking about. I called this guy today and I asked how much for three runs. He said they won't be doing just three runs. He said they will run it until they get an average. I assume he's going aiming to heatsoak my stock FMIC?? I didn't really understand that because I'm not requesting he tunes my car as I have a proceed on the way. He also asked if I have an O2 sensor bung on my car. I told him its all stock. he said they would install one. I think he's talking about hooking up a wideband in order for the dyno to work right. Anyway, he quoted me $200 for what I assume to be many runs. Anyone have any thoughts? Oh yeah, he also mentioned their dyno is calibrated every morning and I'm going in for my baseline.

Only mods I have on my car that could effect the dyno outcome:

19" VS7's
STETT CAI
******** BoV/Chargepipe

Noooooooooooo. Lopers is run by a bunch of hillbilly jerk offs that only know things like magnetos and solid cams... Do yourself a favor and NOT go there.

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by Nick.CBR

I posted this pic on another DTC thread but you can expect your dash to look like this and possibly red airbag guy. Restart the car and drive a 50 feet and it will clear up.

No clue on the runfiles because I didn't know you could actually get them and manipulate correction and smoothing. Ask for STD if you feel like he's not in some big ass rush like the first time I went.

Nick

I bought a 4gb usb stick because I can't find my old one I paid like a hundred dollars for on newegg. How long should I wait between runs?

[jblackwell]

Originally Posted by Nick.CBR

Kinda got that impression when he said dude wanted to weld a bung onto a new BMW...

Oh well, it's a dyno and the car is stock - not much can go wrong...

Nick

My point was more of a concern for a low car, my personal desire to use the same dyno for subsequent runs, and a general disdain for Johnny Loper and all of his jackhole employees that look down their nose at anything not equipped with a Holley Dominator carb.

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by jblackwell

My point was more of a concern for a low car, my personal desire to use the same dyno for subsequent runs, and a general disdain for Johnny Loper and all of his jackhole employees that look down their nose at anything not equipped with a Holley Dominator carb.

Is it really that bad? Because I'm scheduled to go there in the morning and its literally right down the street from my job.

[Terrance28]

I would find another dyno.

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by Nick.CBR

Is it an above ground setup or something?

I don't know if this is funny or not (not going to lie, I kinda chuckled just thinking of The Lopster and his "3-quarter race bumpsick, wit dat der 'glide and 5.94932's out back", but it looks like your boy died a few years ago:

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29599

Nick

There were like 6 posts from the same guy. Then a mod tells him no one cares he's dead.

[jblackwell]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

Is it really that bad? Because I'm scheduled to go there in the morning and its literally right down the street from my job.

Yes, it is. Just drive by the building. You wont want to stop there. Unless you're in to topless bars and pawn shops.....

[jcarlucci1]

$200 is insane. I paid $40 for 4 runs last week. Anything more than about $75 and you're getting raped.

[jblackwell]

Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

$200 is insane. I paid $40 for 4 runs last week. Anything more than about $75 and you're getting raped.

+1

[ZTUNER]

Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

$200 is insane. I paid $40 for 4 runs last week. Anything more than about $75 and you're getting raped.

Tampa / FL in general is a lot cheaper than most places in the US. I'd say 75 per hour is more the norm. BTW where in TPA did you dyno ?

Harry

[jcarlucci1]

Proven Power

Originally Posted by ZTUNER

Tampa / FL in general is a lot cheaper than most places in the US. I'd say 75 per hour is more the norm. BTW where in TPA did you dyno ?

Harry

[klipseracer]

I went by there this morning. They had 2 supercharged camaros there and some sand buggy. I had them install the o2 bung anyway and dyno the car. I paid 200 bucks and he said I could do as many runs as I wanted. I ended up doing about 10 all together. about 5 and them 5 more later after it cooled down. He was actually really cool. Complimented the car and the power it made saying it wasn't bad at all. He had a shop camaro that dynos about 770. I paid the money because it was close, about a half mile from my work and I don't care to go down to scottsdale. Next time I'm gonna talk to him and tell him I prefer to just do a couple runs for less but they did a good job and made sure everything was tightened down and down the right way. I think he charged me way too much but they weren't rude or anything like that. Definitely some domestic guys, but they weren't negative to me bringing in my bmw at all. In fact when he was under the car on the lift he mentioned how they really designed it well and didn't take shortcuts.

So enough with the blabbering. The best hp runfile and best tq run weren't saved. But I got 275 hp on one run, and 293 tq on the second. It was about 63* and 6-7% humidity. STD correction 1.04 with smoothing set to 5. I couldn't figure out how to get the drf exported, only a picture. So I had him print the runs off individually and then combined. here is a bad picture with all three runs he saved initially from the first 5 pulls. As the car got warmed up it started making more power. By the way, no fan was used either with these runs. I think maybe he forgot.

Vids coming next.

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[nukezero]

pretty awesome. your car is within specs... actually it's out of spec. 297 tq at the wheel. the sticker should've said 350 crank torque.

[Htown09]

I like the way that intake sounds! Sounds like a jet when it's ramping up.

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by Nick.CBR

Cool man - so what mods did you have on the car? BOV/DV's and CAI/DCI?

Nick

Just a ****** CP and bov and a STETT CAI. Thats it...

[skiingmav]

I still don't understand why people install BOV's on these cars. They are designed for DV's. Putting in BOV's is only going to hinder performance. Do your research, Put on some forged diverter valves and leave the "cool swoosh sound" to kids with honda's.