[itsrichierich]

Well folks, things can get VERY interesting here. Besides my wife having a build waiting at the port to get imported, I think a few other members are anxious/nervous. Things can get pretty ugly if there's no agreement.

Any speculation that importers move goods to a different port (West Coast or Mexico) rather than having it sit?

[SMGCFP]

My prediction is that they'll give them what they want. The "no automation" demand is crazy, but UPS gave that to the teamsters a few years back. It will just drive up inflation and prices on everything and their 77% raise over 6 years will be needed to keep up.

If the strike lasts more than week, I'll be shocked.

[Tyga11]

I read a one week strike can delay things for MONTHS.

This is going to get ugly folks. I am actually going to Costco this morning to buy TP & paper towels. Prepare for Covid like hoarding

[THEROK]

Nooo my BBS FIR Evos! lol

[Vmaxx]

Originally Posted by SMGCFP

My prediction is that they'll give them what they want. The "no automation" demand is crazy, but UPS gave that to the teamsters a few years back. It will just drive up inflation and prices on everything and their 77% raise over 6 years will be needed to keep up.

If the strike lasts more than week, I'll be shocked.

It will last at least a week. Even if they come to an agreement later this week, they will wait until the weekend or next week to announce it. Either way, the process is out of our control so it's pointless to worry about it. The key is just to be patient and don't sweat it.

[BimmerFix]

It’s going to ruin the economy for that short time frame & cost us billions.

Have some stones Joe & push the Taft-Hartley Act . Only reason he won’t this time is because of elections … doesn’t want to cost KH all those union votes + friends & family members tied to them

It’s all politics.

Longshoremen/Dock workers getting paid $150k a yr , wanting higher wages & a stop to future automation plans.

according to the union's own material, the average dockworker makes $147,000 in annual salary and pulls in $35,000 a year in employer-paid health care benefits

Thats avg. Some make 200k plus , Foremans can do 3-400k +

Nuts .. that ain’t chump change i’ll ya
That

Don’t get me wrong I’m all for them getting paid. But a strike is just plain BS

I say bring on the Robots

Just one man’s humble opinion of course but I digress

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by BimmerFix

It’s going to ruin the economy for that short time frame & cost us billions.

Have some stones Joe & push the Taft-Hartley Act . Only reason he won’t this time is because of elections … doesn’t want to cost KH all those union votes + friends & family members tied to them

It’s all politics.

Longshoremen/Dock workers getting paid $150k a yr , wanting higher wages & a stop to future automation plans.

according to the union's own material, the average dockworker makes $147,000 in annual salary and pulls in $35,000 a year in employer-paid health care benefits

Thats avg. Some make 200k plus , Foremans can do 3-400k +

Nuts .. that ain’t chump change i’ll ya
That

Don’t get me wrong I’m all for them getting paid. But a strike is just plain BS

I say bring on the Robots

Just one man’s humble opinion of course but I digress

"I'm all for them getting paid" and "but a strike is BS" is mutually exclusive.

It's one or the other. These options exist because the workers aren't getting what they want. This is how you make them listen. This not existing means the companies can run roughshot on anything they want and the workers wouldn't be able to do a thing about it.

The *exact point* of the strike is to make them listen. Without it, they have no leverage. Just because someone is making X dollars doesn't mean it's what they're worth or they shouldn't be making more. It's about the job, what they do, and how much value they bring to the companies that hire them.

"No automation" is an entirely valid complaint. The average economist says "well they'll just train for a different job." The problem is technology is evolving faster than human job cross training allows, so that's not a valid option anymore. It worked 50+ years ago, but it doesn't work now.

And no, this does not "drive up inflation," if companies want to charge more for products because they're not pulling in the profit numbers they want, that's on them making the decision, and not an economic factor like inflation.

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by BimmerFix

It’s going to ruin the economy for that short time frame & cost us billions.

Have some stones Joe & push the Taft-Hartley Act . Only reason he won’t this time is because of elections … doesn’t want to cost KH all those union votes + friends & family members tied to them

It’s all politics.

Longshoremen/Dock workers getting paid $150k a yr , wanting higher wages & a stop to future automation plans.

according to the union's own material, the average dockworker makes $147,000 in annual salary and pulls in $35,000 a year in employer-paid health care benefits

Thats avg. Some make 200k plus , Foremans can do 3-400k +

Nuts .. that ain’t chump change i’ll ya
That

Don’t get me wrong I’m all for them getting paid. But a strike is just plain BS

I say bring on the Robots

Just one man’s humble opinion of course but I digress

Yep - they make way too much money. Get rid of all them IMO

[road rage richie]

The velocity of money is a good thing. Concentration of wealth is a bad thing. The UAW's position is every auto worker should be able to afford a car. Walmart's position is their work force must be so poor that they have to shop at Walmart.

In most of the geographical area's of the ports on strike $150k is about a middle class wage. I suspect if port wages matched port productivity gains there would be no strike. I would bet my car on it in fact. Concentration of wealth bad.

There needs to be a robust middle class for me to be a member of the 5% so I can afford a $100,000.00 car. And they need to be able to pay taxes to keep the roads in good order so I can drive fast.

[SwankPeRFection]

$150k is middle class? 🤯🤣

“Tell me you snobby without telling me you snobby.” Lol

And from what’s being said that’s bottom of the barrel wage for the loaders/operators, most are making even more. Now if they were making 40k or less and complaining, they’d have a leg to stand on. Some people in this country want to make more than what they’re dishing out simply because they think there isn’t someone else out there that can do their job and while that may have been the case decades ago, new technologies and automations are replacing their subpar human work performance with exacting perfection and repetition and ZERO complaining that humans seem to be doing. Them striking is just going to want to drive the controlling companies more in the direction of removal of the problem children, which will eventually happen. There’s a shit ton of people who don’t make $150k in several years of working and those poor bastards work their jobs and make ends meet without complaint and if they do have an issue with it, they go out and get better paying jobs that requires them to do more work or better quality/higher skill work. Only in America does one think they SHOULD be paid more for something because they think they’re owed that. There are times I wish capitalism had what I like to call “an ethical ceiling” from both producer and consumer, but that’s not gonna happen because of this bs greedy shit. Companies aren’t going to absorb operating costs, they turn around in these types of economies and send it right back down to your stupid $150k a year making ass, which raises your coast of living and causes you to bitch a complain and strike again for more money and the wheel goes round and round again. It’s all a very stupid way to do things. Some limits and reigning in of uncontrolled profit margins should be implemented for the betterment of all or we’ll never have a society where people can actually live comfortably and without the need to shit on their neighbor to survive.

[Skyscraper]

Clay and Buck tore into the Union rep speaking today for the workers. Talking about how dock workers control the economy and America is going to pay for not paying the workers fairly.
Turns out the Rep. Harold Daggett is paid $900,000.00 a year, drives a Bentley and owns a 75’ Yacht.

Unions are all about Unions making money. They use the workers as leverage by promising higher wages. But the workers and especially the companies are both paying huge ammouts of money to unions.

I thought this was a free country? Why does a worker have to pay for the right to work and why should I have to pay for the right to have an employee?
If you think about it, It’s closer to paid protection. Think Mafia.

[SwankPeRFection]

^^^ You know union shit was conceptualized by Italians in NY back in the day to make money in another shifty ass way, right? I don’t mean to piss in anyone’s pot, but it is exactly what you said in the last sentence… mob shit, plain and simple.

Ironically this type of business is the oldest concept known to man… extort money from people via fear and violence… when that becomes hard or illegal, put a business spin on it and say you’re providing a much needed service to them that they can’t do without and sit back and rake in the cash. Pastors do the same shit. Lol

[vrships]

$150,000 anually is not a middle class wage. In 2023, if a household earns $150000 then they are the top 21% family. If you assume household income is roughly 1.5x the highest wage in the house, then $225000 makes them the top 9% family.

So the top 10% richest people in the country are complaining they aren't paid what they think they are worth? OK, maybe. And they demand another 77% pay raise, which if granted, will immediately make them the richest 1.5%. And they will be doing the same thing requiring no new skills and trainings. And they will reject automation, which largely boosts the productivity of everything on this planet and makes everyone better off in the last century.

And the entire rest of the country will pay for that.

Just so you know, the median real wage in the US has mostly been dropping from 2020 by almost 10%, after inflation adjusted. Meaning on average every american is a bit poorer than 4 years ago. And these poorer people, who may not see 1% raise every year in the next 5 years, will have to pay for the 77% raise for the top 20 to 1% richest people.

And I haven't mentioned their yacht and Bentley owning leader's ties to the gangs and Mafia.

[Muslenutz]

Add this to the mix, I’ll see my build in 2028

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/tech/...ne?cid=ios_app

[JDR_G80]

Unions are as greedy as companies. My dad was in a North Jersey union and the corruption was unreal. Look at the longshoreman union leader, he's got a 7000 sq ft house with a Bentley parked out front.

[M4Tejas]

I expect this to last until election time. They should PATCO the fuckers. Biden nuts were cut off the day that POS got into office. The union lead guy makes over 900k drives a Bentley and owns a yacht.


Bentley Drivers of the World, Unite!
Meet the union boss making $900,000 who shut down U.S. ports.
By
The Editorial Board
Follow
Oct. 2, 2024 at 5:55 pm ET

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/harold-d...ports-6e31a772

Gonna cost America billions at a time of horrible hurricane issue(s) back East….add in inflation due to exorbitant amount of printed money….WWIII possible. I predict this puts Trump/Vance/JFK/Elon etc. into the winners circle. The last straw has arrived…….


PS - did some research……over 1/3rd of union members make over 200k per year.



https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-h...resident-trump

[SwankPeRFection]

[gnx]

This is infuriating.

Union corruption is unreal all over the world. It's human nature.

[SwankPeRFection]

[TheMediumLebowski]

Originally Posted by SwankPeRFection

[TheMediumLebowski]

Well this is great. My car is supposed to hit Baltimore tomorrow.

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by TheMediumLebowski

Well this is great. My car is supposed to hit Baltimore tomorrow.

It's okay man. That crane operator needs a pay increase from $177,000 to $300,000. Your car can wait