[dxx]

Hi everyone,

I've been driving a G80 RWD ID7 for over a year now.

Everything has been perfect except for needing to warm up the tires, concerns about driving in the rain, and poor performance from 0-100 km/h.

I'm considering switching to the XDRIVE ID8 adding extra AUD $40k, or XDRIVE with ID7 adding extra AUD $20K-25K, wondering if it's worth the upgrade?????

This generation of M3/M4 is really a monster. Unless you're looking to buy a car better than the 992s (which requires an extra AUD $120-150k for similar performance), I would recommend going for the G8x.

[astroricardo]

There seem to be lots of happy people who have RWD M3s. I would think as long as you keep good tires on it and leave DSC on in the rain you'll be ok. 'Worth the upgrade' is subjective. I don't think you'd be disappointed, but think of all the other things or mods you can buy with that.

[BEAR-AvHistory-2]

You will have a quicker car that handles better & still can be driven in full RWD mode if you want. What's not to like?

I think the car as a street driven car that can run nicely on track day has reached the point where it overpowers any rubber you can put on it, outside of 100 treadware road course tires.

Something like 300BHP was the limit point for FWD cars, RWD street cars get sketchy at 500BHP

[dxx]

Originally Posted by astroricardo

There seem to be lots of happy people who have RWD M3s. I would think as long as you keep good tires on it and leave DSC on in the rain you'll be ok. 'Worth the upgrade' is subjective. I don't think you'd be disappointed, but think of all the other things or mods you can buy with that.

Already switched to the original size PS4S* tires, but I still think the performance on dry roads is not enough. Warming up the tires in winter is a real pain. 😡

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by dxx

Already switched to the original size PS4S* tires, but I still think the performance on dry roads is not enough. Warming up the tires in winter is a real pain. ��

If you're trying to warm PS4S's in the winter....that's your problem. Switch to a high performance All Season like a Pilot Sport AS4 or a Conti DWS 06 Plus. They are both very good, sacrifice only a small amount of feel, do great in the wet and are WAY better in the cold.

I mean, I wouldn't hesitate to do this for a second. AWD is only going to help you go. Not turn or stop. It's kind of like wearing wearing lightweight track sprinting shoes to walk an icy sidewalk and wondering why you keep slipping. Buy the right shoes.

[Mike02z]

I had both. If you want the best 0-60 time and like to drive in all sorts of weather (snow) the XDrive is a better choice.

For me, the auto was boring. I sold my M4C XDrive for a RWD M4 Manual and am very happy I did. I’ve always had manuals and I should have known better but the allure of 30 additional HP on the Comp I thought I’d get used to it.

[McLaren720s]

I did a 360 spin at the track in the pouring rain with XDrive. Gave it a little too much gas coming out of the corner.
You have to still be very careful in the rain even with XDrive when braking or turning. XDrive is not there to save you from anything. Driver awareness and experience always triumphs.

Other than that, XDrive all the way for me!

[JDUNITNOW]

I've had .y rwd comp since December 21 and never switched to winter tires and got 16k out of my Michelin tires. Still have tread left and only switched tires then because of new rims. I don't drive my car in inclement weather in winter months but had no traction issues in temperature below 45 degrees. I'm not saying this to promote driving with summer tires but I never switched any of my sports cars I owned. Area specific and skill specific so no I see no need to go xdrive.

[bri1042]

I recently, finally, test drove an M4Cx after 3+ years with my RWD MT M3. There were certainly things I liked about it, but it isn't an automatic tires-glued-to-road. I drove it on a cool, rainy day (on purpose) and did manage to twitch the rear tires at a stop light without doing anything particularly silly.

The tires on it weren't new but weren't all that worn and behaved exactly as I expected them to considering the conditions, tire pressure, and tire temps. X-Drive does not mean that you don't have to warm up summer tires, it really doesn't.

Before spending an oodle of money changing your car, be honest with yourself about why you want to, what you expect to achieve, and if you actually need (and for some, are ready for) a faster car.

[GolfCoyote]

Turo one to see if you think its worth the upgrade.

[Delmoney335]

It's interesting how everyone acts like X-Drive is a totally different car, light speed faster like when they hit NOS in fast and furious and will not lose control in rain or any conditions.

If you were ordering a car now, X-Drive sure. It has best of both worlds. As others stated, depends what you want to be doing. Drag racing from stop lights, at the track etc.?

I have RWD for almost 3 years now and never felt I lacked power or traction. Only when the original Pirellis were dead. Now with new PS4's, no issues at all.

Only way to know is to drive one to see the difference for yourself.

[CMW33]

Not worth it, when factoring in depreciation, price increase, etc. XDrive is great but doesn't change the laws of physics, like Delmoney335 said. Tires are going to be much more determinative for the things you point out, OP.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by Delmoney335

It's interesting how everyone acts like X-Drive is a totally different car, light speed faster like when they hit NOS in fast and furious and will not lose control in rain or any conditions.

If you were ordering a car now, X-Drive sure. It has best of both worlds. As others stated, depends what you want to be doing. Drag racing from stop lights, at the track etc.?

I have RWD for almost 3 years now and never felt I lacked power or traction. Only when the original Pirellis were dead. Now with new PS4's, no issues at all.

Only way to know is to drive one to see the difference for yourself.

This is my opinion as well after having my 22 M4 rwd for almost 3 years. To take it a step further, I had the option of getting xdrive when I ordered my 24 M4 and, after a test drive in a xdrive model, I chose to order another rwd M4. I personally like the feel of a rwd car more than xdrive and, while you can switch xdrive to rwd, what is the point if Im going to run it in rwd mode all the time anyway. More than happy with my 2 rwd M4 cars.

[Delmoney335]

Originally Posted by Alpine300zhp

This is my opinion as well after having my 22 M4 rwd for almost 3 years. To take it a step further, I had the option of getting xdrive when I ordered my 24 M4 and, after a test drive in a xdrive model, I chose to order another rwd M4. I personally like the feel of a rwd car more than xdrive and, while you can switch xdrive to rwd, what is the point if Im going to run it in rwd mode all the time anyway. More than happy with my 2 rwd M4 cars.

Just my curiosity, why did you order a '24 after having a '22? Lease up? or wanted the new ID8?

My lease is coming up but I am going to keep it at least a while longer, the price difference is too great for basically the same car and one with low miles. The MSRP on a similar car now is 8-10K more, so not ideal.

[pizza240]

I'd keep the RWD model and enjoy driving in MDM.
Off-the-line acceleration is overrated.
I drive my xDrive model in 2WD most of the time unless there's snow.

[user12464]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

If you're trying to warm PS4S's in the winter....that's your problem. Switch to a high performance All Season like a Pilot Sport AS4 or a Conti DWS 06 Plus. They are both very good, sacrifice only a small amount of feel, do great in the wet and are WAY better in the cold.

I mean, I wouldn't hesitate to do this for a second. AWD is only going to help you go. Not turn or stop. It's kind of like wearing wearing lightweight track sprinting shoes to walk an icy sidewalk and wondering why you keep slipping. Buy the right shoes.

Definitely try some high performance AS tires. I find the summer tires really need to be around 100 F to get the best traction. Even if the ambient temps aren't freezing, it can be hard to warm up the tires in the rain. I run Conti DWS 06 Plus for winter and it's amazing how much traction you get with no warmup.

[PVC]

There are no downsides to having xDrive. It's just a financial decision that only you can make based on your needs and $$.
If for whatever reason you feel like driving in RWD mode, you can do that with a flip of a switch. If you have M Drive Professional, you can even customize the level of traction.

[Mike02z]

Originally Posted by PVC

There are no downsides to having xDrive. It's just a financial decision that only you can make based on your needs and $$.

Not sure I agree with this. XDrive does add about 150 lbs 😉It also adds more complexity and more things that can break. In a perfect world, I would have went XDrive but they don’t offer it in the Manual.

Yes, the car has 2WD mode. The challenge I had with my former G82 XDrive was even in 2WD mode on the dyno the front wheels did try and move and they had to abort. In theory 2WD should kill any power going to the front wheels. If that is the case, why were my front wheels trying to pull? Perhaps it was just something wrong with that car?🤷‍♂️

[SwankPeRFection]

Originally Posted by Mike02z

Yes, the car has 2WD mode. The challenge I had with my former G82 XDrive was even in 2WD mode on the dyno the front wheels did try and move and they had to abort. In theory 2WD should kill any power going to the front wheels. If that is the case, why were my front wheels trying to pull? Perhaps it was just something wrong with that car?🤷‍♂️

Dyno Mode via the diag screen and also unplug the only electrical plug going to the transfer case. RWD and no issues on dyno.

[Mike02z]

Originally Posted by SwankPeRFection

Dyno Mode via the diag screen and also unplug the only electrical plug going to the transfer case. RWD and no issues on dyno.

Yes, I put it in “Chasis Dyno mode” but why would you need to pull an electrical plug? In my simple mind if you put the car into RWD, power should only go to the rear wheels no matter whether your in dyno mode or not. There are other reasons you need to go into chassis dyno mode when on a dyno and my understanding is it really has nothing to do with the AWD/RWD setting.

[PVC]

Originally Posted by Mike02z

Not sure I agree with this. XDrive does add about 150 lbs 😉It also adds more complexity and more things that can break. In a perfect world, I would have went XDrive but they don’t offer it in the Manual.

Yes, the car has 2WD mode. The challenge I had with my former G82 XDrive was even in 2WD mode on the dyno the front wheels did try and move and they had to abort. In theory 2WD should kill any power going to the front wheels. If that is the case, why were my front wheels trying to pull? Perhaps it was just something wrong with that car?🤷‍♂️

50kg is the weight difference with M3 Comp RWD. That's someone's lunch or a 10 year old kid.

https://www.bmw.com/en-au/models/m-s...a.html#tab-0-0

[yousefnjr]

If you’re going to crank up the boost at some point it’s worth considering imo. Even with xdrive on a hot, dry day things can get slippery