2023 BMW M4 COMP VS 2022 M440i

Cooper Takaki · 02-09-2023, 05:33 PM

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This is a comparison video of the BMW M4 comp vs the m440i.

Please note that the M4 is running bypass that changes the lap time to around 2 seconds vs the m440i running standard. But overall in the video, you can see the handling difference and speed difference.

M440i does have the M-Performance Exhaust

Handling wise the M4 felt like it was planted to the ground way more than the M440i. Speed wise I was able to get a 10MPH higher top speed in the M4 vs the M440i.

Top speed on the track
M440i = 130mph
M4 Comp = 140mph

Lap Difference
M440i = 2:17 (the video was 2:20 couldn't find the video of 2:17)
M4 Comp = 2:07 (bypass but with the standard I got 2:10)

Specs
M4 Competition: Base (Rear wheel, no carbon-ceramic, no bucket seat, no M driver professional, tire = Pzero)
M440i: Base (Rear wheel, no cooling and high-performance tire package, Tire =Pzero front, Tire = P4S Rear)

Notes:
Track both cars are fun. The M440i tires did overheat a lot faster than the M4. Would recommend the cooling and high-performance tire package if you are going to track. The M440i tires reached 200F when the outside temp was 50F after 5 laps. BMW M4 tire temps reached the max of 140F outside temp was 45F.

The tire tread wore down better on M4 vs M440i.

[edit 2/11/23 11:51 AM PST]
This video has both on standard 3 mile. These aren't the best laps tho but better comparison

willywilson · 02-09-2023, 06:44 PM

wow. Great side by side. Where is this track located?

Cooper Takaki · 02-09-2023, 06:53 PM

willywilson California, Willows

5250 CA-162, Willows, CA 95988
http://www.thunderhill.com/

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Th...4d-122.3326425

Forzanerazzurri · 02-09-2023, 08:16 PM

If it had the carbon buckets it would have broken 2:00

rwemersonrw · 02-09-2023, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

If it had the carbon buckets it would have broken 2:00

I always wondered why it’s would have broken as opposed to wouldn’t have broken haha I know i know it’s silly

G30M · 02-09-2023, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cooper Takaki

Top speed on the track
M440i = 130mph
M4 Comp = 140mph

Lap Difference
M440i = 2:17 (the video was 2:20 couldn't find the video of 2:17)
M4 Comp = 2:07 (bypass but with the standard I got 2:10)

Specs
M4 Competition: Base (Rear wheel, no carbon-ceramic, no bucket seat, no M driver professional, tire = Pzero)
M440i: Base (Rear wheel, no cooling and high-performance tire package, Tire =Pzero front, Tire = P4S Rear)

Notes:
Track both cars are fun. The M440i tires did overheat a lot faster than the M4. Would recommend the cooling and high-performance tire package if you are going to track. The M440i tires reached 200F when the outside temp was 50F after 5 laps. BMW M4 tire temps reached the max of 140F outside temp was 45F.

so if same suspension, tires and cooling M4 on this track it will be a bit closer than the 95% of the laptime it started with. (130s vs 137s)

cool!

PLF69 · 02-09-2023, 10:20 PM

I remember when I taught I could do my track season with my M340i, first track day at Le Circuit Mont Tremblant oh god it was a pain.

The car had 255 square Supercar3, bigger sway bars, pads and I even had a quick fit harness to hold me in the seat. Car was kind of fast, I was as fast as with my 2018 M2.

The thing is the feeling was terriblez the confidence lacking, the car was all over the place, the suspension couldn't cope with the loads and added grip by these more aggressive tires, fast it was but not confidence inspiring and very tiresome to drive.

I sold the car and baught the first G8X I could find.

A good feeling car is a fine balancing act.

NorCalAthlete · 02-10-2023, 01:18 AM

Good apples to apples comparison. I think a more optioned-out M440 with xdrive might have closed the gap by a couple more seconds to the base, but by the same token, an optioned-out xdrive M4 would widen the gap again.

cfm56d7b · 02-10-2023, 10:40 AM

Very interesting comparison.

What is price differential between these 2 vehicles?

Cooper Takaki · 02-10-2023, 12:08 PM

If you track a car without Bucket seats you'll understand how hard it is to stay in your seat. I don't think you'll get a 2:00 but it will definitely be easier to focus on driving. @Forzanerazzurri

If i get bucket seats I'll let you know if my lap changes

Cooper Takaki · 02-10-2023, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

Good apples to apples comparison. I think a more optioned-out M440 with xdrive might have closed the gap by a couple more seconds to the base, but by the same token, an optioned-out xdrive M4 would widen the gap again.

NorCalAthlete

I was planning on getting an xDrive M440i with a tire and cooling package but I decided on the M4.

I bet if it was xDrive and tire and cooling package I could have gotten a bit better time closer to the M4 comp. But the big issue I had with the M4 on getting a better lap time was grip on turns. It's way better than the M440i.

But if I had Cup 2 tires or actual race tires it would definitely perform a lot better. Also debating on getting a bucket seat for the driver with a harness setup. When sliding around in your seat while trying to focus on driving definitely makes it a lot harder to focus on the track.

I'm going to Laguna Seca next and I already have a video from the M440i so we will see how much better with the M4 on that track. Might put Pilot sport S or Cup 2 in the rear. Before going to Laguna - Laguna is in California.

ukr · 02-10-2023, 01:06 PM

driven both on road and track, m4 is miles better in every performance espect. It's not worth modding m440, you'll never get there. I think m440 is dissipointing when it comes to performance largely due to lack of front and rear tire sizes (225), they aren't wide enough for the vehicle of this weight so they lack mechanical grip and also there's noticable body lean.

Cooper Takaki · 02-10-2023, 01:09 PM

ukr I agree the M4 is 1000 times better than the M440i especially in turning it is night and day difference. M440i is a fun daily but not a track car

NorCalAthlete · 02-10-2023, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cooper Takaki

NorCalAthlete

I was planning on getting an xDrive M440i with a tire and cooling package but I decided on the M4.

I bet if it was xDrive and tire and cooling package I could have gotten a bit better time closer to the M4 comp. But the big issue I had with the M4 on getting a better lap time was grip on turns. It's way better than the M440i.

But if I had Cup 2 tires or actual race tires it would definitely perform a lot better. Also debating on getting a bucket seat for the driver with a harness setup. When sliding around in your seat while trying to focus on driving definitely makes it a lot harder to focus on the track.

I'm going to Laguna Seca next and I already have a video from the M440i so we will see how much better with the M4 on that track. Might put Pilot sport S or Cup 2 in the rear. Before going to Laguna - Laguna is in California.

I had an M440 with xdrive and the tire + cooling package, it came with michelin PS4* tires. I did a HPDE at Sonoma with it and had a great time with it.

I have an M4 comp with xdrive now and I'm looking forward to hitting Laguna Seca at some point in the near future with it, but haven't taken it to a track just yet. I have no doubt it'll be better, but the M440 was no slouch, either.

Cooper Takaki · 02-10-2023, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorCalA
I have an M4 comp with xdrive now and I'm looking forward to hitting Laguna Seca at some point in the near future with it, but haven't taken it to a track just yet. I have no doubt it'll be [I

better[/I], but the M440 was no slouch, either.

I promise you you'll have a lot more fun with the M4 comp. I agree the M440i was still super fun but your xDrive might have made it a lot better. But with your M4 I bet you'll be 5% faster overall!

NorCalAthlete · 02-10-2023, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cooper Takaki

I promise you you'll have a lot more fun with the M4 comp. I agree the M440i was still super fun but your xDrive might have made it a lot better. But with your M4 I bet you'll be 5% faster overall!

When are you hitting Laguna? And is it for an open lap track day or HPDE type thing?

Cooper Takaki · 02-10-2023, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

When are you hitting Laguna? And is it for an open lap track day or HPDE type thing?

Private track group for laguna. Was thinking of doing Thunderhill again next month but going to hold off because of tires.

Cooper Takaki · 02-10-2023, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfm56d7b

Very interesting comparison.

What is price differential between these 2 vehicles?

Price difference

M440i - 62k

M4 - 79k

G30M · 02-10-2023, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cooper Takaki

NorCalAthlete

But the big issue I had with the M4 on getting a better lap time was grip on turns. It's way better than the M440i..

umm ... 225 P Zero run flat vs 275 Cup 2 ... yeah umm .. ok!

PLF69 · 02-10-2023, 02:02 PM

Even if you put 275 sticky tires on a 440 (if you could) the chassis and suspension will be totally overwhelmed.

You can't have it all, my M340i was a wonderful daily tough.

Cooper Takaki · 02-10-2023, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g21

umm ... 225 P Zero run flat vs 275 Cup 2 ... yeah umm .. ok!

M4 comp
275 front
285 rear

M440i
225 front
255 Rear

I'm talking about putting cup 2 on M4 not m440i.

skyline408 · 02-10-2023, 05:50 PM

Nice. I've spent a significant time at thill (on a motorcycle) and it always trips me out when you bypass T5.

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