[simonb82]

Possibly a long shot as I’m guessing not many people have a new X1 yet but I’m wondering what sort of economy I could expect from the 20i on my 80 mile (motorway, dual carriageway and heavy traffic) commute

[04S]

My 20i xdrive gets about 9.1-9.4 l/100km around town and drops to around 6 on the motorway. Hope that is helpful.

[simonb82]

That’s great, thanks. How do you find the DCT? I’ve heard stories of them being a bit hesitant

[04S]

It hesitates a little sometimes, but, nothing that you can't drive around once you get used to it. The throttle is way more responsive than my old M135 (F40) which with a combination of turbo lag and a laggy Aisin gearbox was terrible at times.

[MontyB1]

Don't forget the 20i is different across the markets and it gets VERY confusing. The UK gets a 3cylinder Mild Hybrid with 170bhp with the Mild Hybrid making up some of that power in the 20i.

The same engine is in some markets is the 18i but without the mild hybrid and only 156bhp.

The 20i in Aus and other markets has a 4 cylinder generating 204bhp...!

So a 20i isn't the same in all countries so I suspect any comparison on fuel economy across markets is mute.

Oh and we have a 23i with 218bhp as a 4cylinder which is the same 20i engine as in Auz but they add the mild hybrid to make the extra bhp and as a result is likely more efficient even though it has more power.

And then you have the us with the same 4cylinder without mild hybrid that's in the US that generates 241bhp? I think and that is know as the 28i and is likely to use the most fuel of the lot.

I need a lie down now, thanks BMW for making things so f'ing complicated!!

[ronime]

Originally Posted by simonb82

Possibly a long shot as I’m guessing not many people have a new X1 yet but I’m wondering what sort of economy I could expect from the 20i on my 80 mile (motorway, dual carriageway and heavy traffic) commute

Our 118i with a similar engine albeit in a slightly lighter car has averaged 37-(ish) mpg over the last 2 years. This is with mainly urban commuting in rush hour. On longer runs with more motorway mileage we have seen mid 40s and even 50mpg for one tank.

I would qualify this with the fact that my wife is the main driver, she is a very steady driver and uses Eco-Pro mode exclusively. In fact I have coded the car to start up in Eco-Pro mode.

The X1 sDrive20i is a slightly heavier car but with the significant revisions to the B38 engine's fuel injection and the mild hybrid assistance in the X1 I am hoping that the consumption will be about the same as the 118i. Hopefully we will take delivery of our X1 before Christmas Eve but it is looking a bit tight now.

[bluecrabby]

if fuel economy is the primary goal, isn't the X1 xDrive18d more sensible? it gets around 50mpg on diesel. too bad they don't offer it in the US...

[simonb82]

Yes and no. In the U.K. now diesel is about 20-30p a litre more expensive so if the 20i does over 40mpg it would probably be cheaper to fuel than the 18d doing 50mpg. Plus the petrol doesn’t have a DPF

[ronime]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

I need a lie down now, thanks BMW for making things so f'ing complicated!!

They don't help by quoting numbers that do not seem to add up either.

For the sDrive20i MHT BMW quote 156hp and 240Nm for the combustion engine and 170hp and 280Nm with electric motor assistance.

They then qualify this by mentioning that the electric motor contributes up to 14kW (20hp) and 55Nm. The only logical explanation is that peak power and torque for the combustion engine and electric motor occur at different engine speeds, perhaps with the electric motor assistance peaking at lower engine speeds?

[ronime]

Originally Posted by simonb82

Plus the petrol doesn’t have a DPF

It will almost certainly have an OPF though, in markets where Euro 6 emissions compliance is mandatory.

[simonb82]

Originally Posted by ronime

It will almost certainly have an OPF though, in markets where Euro 6 emissions compliance is mandatory.

Agreed - however I don’t hear of people having lots of issues with OPF whereas a DPF seems highly likely to have an issue at some point

[bluecrabby]

Originally Posted by simonb82

Agreed - however I don’t hear of people having lots of issues with OPF whereas a DPF seems highly likely to have an issue at some point

You British and European folks should really stop complaining and just buy the iX1 to avoid OPF, DPF or whatever.

I am really mad that BMW has chosen to keep the iX1 from the US market.

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by bluecrabby

You British and European folks should really stop complaining and just buy the iX1 to avoid OPF, DPF or whatever.

I am really mad that BMW has chosen to keep the iX1 from the US market.

Its funny we have been considering an iX1, the range is ok ish but its been -3 to -8 (so as low as 17 Fahrenheit) and the range of some of the electric cars has fallen through the floor. For each mile travelled it would drop 2 miles for example so people have nearly been caught short.

Not an easy problem to solve, you can condition the battery if you are at home, but travel somewhere without that ability to do that and hello range of 50% of what you expect, not nice at all.

[Supa Koopa]

Originally Posted by bluecrabby

You British and European folks should really stop complaining and just buy the iX1 to avoid OPF, DPF or whatever.

I am really mad that BMW has chosen to keep the iX1 from the US market.

I did consider it, but for a car with less spec than the one I have now, it was going to cost £250 extra a month. It simply wasn't worth the amount they were asking for it. An extra £100 for a like for like car, yes I would have bought it straight away, but £250 more for less toys don't be daft.

[ronime]

Originally Posted by bluecrabby

I am really mad that BMW has chosen to keep the iX1 from the US market.

I am really mad that BMW has chosen to keep the xDrive28i from the UK market

[ronime]

Originally Posted by Supa Koopa

I did consider it, but for a car with less spec than the one I have now, it was going to cost £250 extra a month. It simply wasn't worth the amount they were asking for it. An extra £100 for a like for like car, yes I would have bought it straight away, but £250 more for less toys don't be daft.

The price difference between the sDrive20i and the xDrive25e in the UK is £7,500-ish. We would spend less than that on petrol over 4 years in an sDrive20i.

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by ronime

The price difference between the sDrive20i and the xDrive25e in the UK is £7,500-ish. We would spend less than that on petrol over 4 years in an sDrive20i.

Yeah we are thinking similar, the gap between the two models in the 2 Series Active Tourer is far narrower, so plenty of price gouging on the X1 compared to other models.

The gap on the 2AT is only £5600 considering the platforms are so close and the stats and range etc. and tech are the same I'm baffled as to why they are charing £2k more in a different model for the same. They obviously think people will pay the extra I guess.

[ronime]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

The gap on the 2AT is only £5600 considering the platforms are so close and the stats and range etc. and tech are the same I'm baffled as to why they are charing £2k more in a different model for the same. They obviously think people will pay the extra I guess.

Fashion tax, I guess, at least as far as SUVs are concerned in the UK.

Which self-respecting lady is going to rock up at the school gates in a 2AT when all the other mums have X1s/X3s ?

[Supa Koopa]

The amount the charger was going to cost me will pay for this year's fuel in the 23i.

[bluecrabby]

Originally Posted by Supa Koopa

The amount the charger was going to cost me will pay for this year's fuel in the 23i.

but in ten years, electricity will be free thanks to nuclear fusion?

[Supa Koopa]

Originally Posted by bluecrabby

but in ten years, electricity will be free thanks to nuclear fusion?

And I'll be a monkey's uncle.