New Schirmer M4GT -- The record lap 06:53,5 @ BTG Nurburgring

gnx · 10-29-2022, 06:05 AM

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Limegrntaln · 11-01-2022, 05:59 PM

Yeah, this is so fast. Even it being BTG, its faster than the CSL. I guess thats why their track suspension is $14,500.

F87EVO · 11-02-2022, 12:51 PM

Team Schirmer exposes BMW. Its BMW the one that holds its cars back from Porsche imo. They did 7:00 with the F87 M2 Comp , and 6:53 with the G82 M4 Comp. BMW never gave us official laptimes for F87 , but Sport Auto lap time was 7:52 for the F87 Comp , thats 52 seconds improvement ! Same for the G82 , i think Sport Auto lap time was 7:30 ! Thats 37 seconds improvement.

BMW builds very capable cars at half the price ! A small company just took them and proved it ! No surprise that most of the cars at Nurburgring are bimmers.. You can see dozens of E36/46/92 F8Xs chasing GT3s !

Enought said , i love team schirmer , i hope we can see them racing with BMW at touring car racing.

Edit : laptimes are mixed btg vs full . But still i estimate that team schirmer improves the cars laptimes by 20-30 seconds.

nathanm4 · 11-02-2022, 01:08 PM

Incredible!!!

RugbyBro · 11-02-2022, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmercs

Team Schirmer exposes BMW. Its BMW the one that holds its cars back from Porsche imo. They did 7:00 with the F87 M2 Comp , and 6:53 with the G82 M4 Comp. BMW never gave us official laptimes for F87 , but Sport Auto lap time was 7:52 for the F87 Comp , thats 52 seconds improvement ! Same for the G82 , i think Sport Auto lap time was 7:30 ! Thats 37 seconds improvement.

BMW builds very capable cars at half the price ! A small company just took them and proved it ! No surprise that most of the cars at Nurburgring are bimmers.. You can see dozens of E36/46/92 F8Xs chasing GT3s !

Enought said , i love team schirmer , i hope we can see them racing with BMW at touring car racing.

Agree - but it's always been that way. Build a BMW or buy a Porsche. Still, on modern rubber and suspension, M3s of all generations are weapons. A few F8Xs clocked in sub-7 recently.

forumlurker · 11-02-2022, 01:17 PM

0:52 I felt that

done that so many times on AC

Montaver · 11-02-2022, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

Team Schirmer exposes BMW. Its BMW the one that holds its cars back from Porsche imo. They did 7:00 with the F87 M2 Comp , and 6:53 with the G82 M4 Comp. BMW never gave us official laptimes for F87 , but Sport Auto lap time was 7:52 for the F87 Comp , thats 52 seconds improvement ! Same for the G82 , i think Sport Auto lap time was 7:30 ! Thats 37 seconds improvement.

BMW builds very capable cars at half the price ! A small company just took them and proved it ! No surprise that most of the cars at Nurburgring are bimmers.. You can see dozens of E36/46/92 F8Xs chasing GT3s !

Enought said , i love team schirmer , i hope we can see them racing with BMW at touring car racing.

You are mixing up lap times and comparing BTG to full Nordschleife. Some Schirmer suspension bits did not improve the F87 time by 52 seconds

F87EVO · 11-02-2022, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Montaver

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

Team Schirmer exposes BMW. Its BMW the one that holds its cars back from Porsche imo. They did 7:00 with the F87 M2 Comp , and 6:53 with the G82 M4 Comp. BMW never gave us official laptimes for F87 , but Sport Auto lap time was 7:52 for the F87 Comp , thats 52 seconds improvement ! Same for the G82 , i think Sport Auto lap time was 7:30 ! Thats 37 seconds improvement.

BMW builds very capable cars at half the price ! A small company just took them and proved it ! No surprise that most of the cars at Nurburgring are bimmers.. You can see dozens of E36/46/92 F8Xs chasing GT3s !

Enought said , i love team schirmer , i hope we can see them racing with BMW at touring car racing.

You are mixing up lap times and comparing BTG to full Nordschleife. Some Schirmer suspension bits did not improve the F87 time by 52 seconds

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montaver

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

Team Schirmer exposes BMW. Its BMW the one that holds its cars back from Porsche imo. They did 7:00 with the F87 M2 Comp , and 6:53 with the G82 M4 Comp. BMW never gave us official laptimes for F87 , but Sport Auto lap time was 7:52 for the F87 Comp , thats 52 seconds improvement ! Same for the G82 , i think Sport Auto lap time was 7:30 ! Thats 37 seconds improvement.

BMW builds very capable cars at half the price ! A small company just took them and proved it ! No surprise that most of the cars at Nurburgring are bimmers.. You can see dozens of E36/46/92 F8Xs chasing GT3s !

Enought said , i love team schirmer , i hope we can see them racing with BMW at touring car racing.

You are mixing up lap times and comparing BTG to full Nordschleife. Some Schirmer suspension bits did not improve the F87 time by 52 seconds

Yes , you are right about the BTG times vs Full lap , but still , there is a lot difference . Surely 20-30 seconds faster.

werdn · 11-02-2022, 01:35 PM

Is BTG the full track, as in the factory-time lap length?

F87EVO · 11-02-2022, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by werdn

Is BTG the full track, as in the factory-time lap length?

Quote:

Originally Posted by werdn

Is BTG the full track, as in the factory-time lap length?

No BTG is shorter .

BTG is 19.1km and Full is 20.8km which is basically the long straight.

forumlurker · 11-02-2022, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by werdn

Is BTG the full track, as in the factory-time lap length?

What is a ‘Ring laptime exactly?

Good question. Most racetracks are short, so a lap is a complete circuit, starting and finishing in exactly the same place, the start/finish line. But the ‘Ring is so long that the outlap to get to the start/finish point at speed is the equivalent of about four normal race laps, which is about the maximum a roadcar’s brakes can handle, if that. That is why many timed ‘Ring “laps” are measured from the entry on to the track to the exit – this is a “bridge to gantry” lap (BTG) and misses out the part between the last gantry and the first bridge. A full lap is 20.832km, and a BTG lap is 19.1km, which equates to around 20-30 seconds less time. Public driving days (“touristfarhten”) do not permit full laps, so only BTG is possible.

So if someone claims an impressive laptime, raise a quizzical eyebrow and ask “ah yes, but was that a full lap or BTG?”

from : https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car...ould-you-care/

yousefnjr · 11-02-2022, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

Team Schirmer exposes BMW. Its BMW the one that holds its cars back from Porsche imo. They did 7:00 with the F87 M2 Comp , and 6:53 with the G82 M4 Comp. BMW never gave us official laptimes for F87 , but Sport Auto lap time was 7:52 for the F87 Comp , thats 52 seconds improvement ! Same for the G82 , i think Sport Auto lap time was 7:30 ! Thats 37 seconds improvement.

BMW builds very capable cars at half the price ! A small company just took them and proved it ! No surprise that most of the cars at Nurburgring are bimmers.. You can see dozens of E36/46/92 F8Xs chasing GT3s !

Enought said , i love team schirmer , i hope we can see them racing with BMW at touring car racing.

Edit : laptimes are mixed btg vs full . But still i estimate that team schirmer improves the cars laptimes by 20-30 seconds.

Looks like this car in the video doesn’t have an interior either. I think I’m ok with the balance BMW strikes in these models out of the box. Price, performance, and comfort are well judged imo. Race car is cool and all but so is being able to live with the thing. I couldn’t handle daily use in a configuration like this with kids and shit.

F87EVO · 11-02-2022, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

Team Schirmer exposes BMW. Its BMW the one that holds its cars back from Porsche imo. They did 7:00 with the F87 M2 Comp , and 6:53 with the G82 M4 Comp. BMW never gave us official laptimes for F87 , but Sport Auto lap time was 7:52 for the F87 Comp , thats 52 seconds improvement ! Same for the G82 , i think Sport Auto lap time was 7:30 ! Thats 37 seconds improvement.

BMW builds very capable cars at half the price ! A small company just took them and proved it ! No surprise that most of the cars at Nurburgring are bimmers.. You can see dozens of E36/46/92 F8Xs chasing GT3s !

Enought said , i love team schirmer , i hope we can see them racing with BMW at touring car racing.

Edit : laptimes are mixed btg vs full . But still i estimate that team schirmer improves the cars laptimes by 20-30 seconds.

Looks like this car in the video doesn’t have an interior either. I think I’m ok with the balance BMW strikes in these models out of the box. Price, performance, and comfort are well judged imo. Race car is cool and all but so is being able to live with the thing. I couldn’t handle daily use in a configuration like this with kids and shit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by werdn

Is BTG the full track, as in the factory-time lap length?

Quote:

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

Team Schirmer exposes BMW. Its BMW the one that holds its cars back from Porsche imo. They did 7:00 with the F87 M2 Comp , and 6:53 with the G82 M4 Comp. BMW never gave us official laptimes for F87 , but Sport Auto lap time was 7:52 for the F87 Comp , thats 52 seconds improvement ! Same for the G82 , i think Sport Auto lap time was 7:30 ! Thats 37 seconds improvement.

BMW builds very capable cars at half the price ! A small company just took them and proved it ! No surprise that most of the cars at Nurburgring are bimmers.. You can see dozens of E36/46/92 F8Xs chasing GT3s !

Enought said , i love team schirmer , i hope we can see them racing with BMW at touring car racing.

Edit : laptimes are mixed btg vs full . But still i estimate that team schirmer improves the cars laptimes by 20-30 seconds.

Looks like this car in the video doesn't have an interior either. I think I'm ok with the balance BMW strikes in these models out of the box. Price, performance, and comfort are well judged imo. Race car is cool and all but so is being able to live with the thing. I couldn't handle daily use in a configuration like this with kids and shit.

I agree , but whats also cool , is to know that you are car is capable of such laptimes.

911r · 11-02-2022, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

Team Schirmer exposes BMW. Its BMW the one that holds its cars back from Porsche imo. They did 7:00 with the F87 M2 Comp , and 6:53 with the G82 M4 Comp. BMW never gave us official laptimes for F87 , but Sport Auto lap time was 7:52 for the F87 Comp , thats 52 seconds improvement ! Same for the G82 , i think Sport Auto lap time was 7:30 ! Thats 37 seconds improvement.

BMW builds very capable cars at half the price ! A small company just took them and proved it ! No surprise that most of the cars at Nurburgring are bimmers.. You can see dozens of E36/46/92 F8Xs chasing GT3s !

Enought said , i love team schirmer , i hope we can see them racing with BMW at touring car racing.

Edit : laptimes are mixed btg vs full . But still i estimate that team schirmer improves the cars laptimes by 20-30 seconds.

Exactly. There is no reason why an F82 CSL shouldn't be just as quick and capable (out of the box) as a GT3 on track. Disappointing on BMW's part.

stevehifi · 11-02-2022, 03:16 PM

A couple things to note:
-this is a BTG lap which is 20-30sec slower than a full lap (ie. m4 csl ran a 7:15.6)
-this car has a full cage, full schirmer suspension and brakes, so probably at least $50k of mods+Labor (if not more)
-this car is essentially a track rat, forget about driving this on the street the noises from the suspension and lack of interior/sound deadening will drive you nuts
-Schirmer dials his cars to go fast on the Nurburgring, it's all or nothing. That doesn't necessarily translate to a car that can go fast on all kinds of other tracks or maintains
versatility.
-an M4 CSL is probably faster and more consistent, and that's on stock weight. I imagine if you stripped+roll cage a CSL it would be even faster.

-

CanAutM3 · 11-02-2022, 03:23 PM

Watching the video, the actually time the "Gantry-to-Bridge" distance at ~0:22.8 sec. From that we can easily calculate the full lap at 7:16.6, which is 3.6 sec faster than the M4 CSL factory lap.

That being said, we do not know what tires are on the car. Racing slicks can make a huge difference.

CanAutM3 · 11-02-2022, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevehifi

A couple things to note:
-this is a BTG lap which is 20-30sec slower than a full lap (ie. m4 csl ran a 7:15.6)
-this car has a full cage, full schirmer suspension and brakes, so probably at least $50k of mods+Labor (if not more)
-this car is essentially a track rat, forget about driving this on the street the noises from the suspension and lack of interior/sound deadening will drive you nuts
-Schirmer dials his cars to go fast on the Nurburgring, it's all or nothing. That doesn't necessarily translate to a car that can go fast on all kinds of other tracks or maintains
versatility.
-an M4 CSL is probably faster and more consistent, and that's on stock weight. I imagine if you stripped+roll cage a CSL it would be even faster.

-

7:15.6 is not the full lap for the M4 CSL, it is the AM&S Supertest lap length. Full lap is 7:20.2 for the M4 CSL. As posted above, Schrimer did a 7:16.6 full lap. Your other points are all valid though.

THEROK · 11-02-2022, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

Team Schirmer exposes BMW. Its BMW the one that holds its cars back from Porsche imo. They did 7:00 with the F87 M2 Comp , and 6:53 with the G82 M4 Comp. BMW never gave us official laptimes for F87 , but Sport Auto lap time was 7:52 for the F87 Comp , thats 52 seconds improvement ! Same for the G82 , i think Sport Auto lap time was 7:30 ! Thats 37 seconds improvement.

BMW builds very capable cars at half the price ! A small company just took them and proved it ! No surprise that most of the cars at Nurburgring are bimmers.. You can see dozens of E36/46/92 F8Xs chasing GT3s !

Enought said , i love team schirmer , i hope we can see them racing with BMW at touring car racing.

Edit : laptimes are mixed btg vs full . But still i estimate that team schirmer improves the cars laptimes by 20-30 seconds.

Wtf. So is Manthey holding back Porsche? Lmao

cbertels · 11-02-2022, 05:39 PM

A lot is said about the cars and upgrades, etc. but something needs to be said for driver skill. Having all the best possible tools makes no difference for someone not competent to wring out the most from the car. Many of us fretting over seconds of lap times vs competitors need to keep our own abilities in perspective too.

stevehifi · 11-02-2022, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Watching the video, the actually time the "Gantry-to-Bridge" distance at ~0:22.8 sec. From that we can easily calculate the full lap at 7:16.6, which is 3.6 sec faster than the M4 CSL factory lap.

That being said, we do not know what tires are on the car. Racing slicks can make a huge difference.

Yes tires can make a huge difference, I know Schirmer cars tend to run Dunlop Direzza 03G on their cars, which is a semi-slick but I'm not sure how it compares to the cup 2 R.

CanAutM3 · 11-02-2022, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THEROK

Wtf. So is Manthey holding back Porsche? Lmao

Manthey belongs to Porsche...

1FZFE · 11-02-2022, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Manthey belongs to Porsche...

Pedantic.

Olaf's crew modifies stock GT3 and 2ss for improved Youtube lap times at similar levels of modification (kinematics, aero, wheels/tires) as does Schirmer with a stock M car.

A CSL is a tarted up 3/4 series and does not compare with a dedicated sports car chassis touched by AP, blessed with a genuine motorsport engine.

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stevehifi Captain 527 Rep 855 Posts Drives: 17 F80 M3 ZCP Join Date: May 2008 Location: Irvine,CA iTrader: (5)	A couple things to note: -this is a BTG lap which is 20-30sec slower than a full lap (ie. m4 csl ran a 7:15.6) -this car has a full cage, full schirmer suspension and brakes, so probably at least $50k of mods+Labor (if not more) -this car is essentially a track rat, forget about driving this on the street the noises from the suspension and lack of interior/sound deadening will drive you nuts -Schirmer dials his cars to go fast on the Nurburgring, it's all or nothing. That doesn't necessarily translate to a car that can go fast on all kinds of other tracks or maintains versatility. -an M4 CSL is probably faster and more consistent, and that's on stock weight. I imagine if you stripped+roll cage a CSL it would be even faster. -
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