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I just returned from a week in Europe for BMW’s Ice Training Max in the new G8X platform, specifically the G82 RWD Comp. This is the second time I’ve done this…the first was 2 years ago in F8X cars right before Covid and was a spectacular failure as I crashed hard during the snowmobile side tour and spent a week and a half in hospital with a collapsed lung, 4 broken ribs and a shattered collarbone. But, that’s a separate story.

I was super excited to get to try it out again! BMW offers 2 Ice Trainings at their winter test facility in Arjeplog, Sweden. One is a 4-day, 3-night Ice Training and the other is a 5-day, 4-night Ice Training Max. The longer program obviously offers more seat time, but also more advanced drifting techniques and courses, as well as the chance to drive the F82 M4 CS based Ice Racer. Each course starts and ends with a semi-chartered pack-‘em-in sardine can flight from Munich full of mostly auto engineers from all the big German brands. Lodging and food is provided by BMW and, aside from lunch at the facility on the frozen lake, is all hosted at the Hotel Kraja in Arjeplog. It’s a fairly nice little hotel with decent food. I’ll provide a little day-by-day run down.

Day 1: Depart LAX for Munich (MUC). Glorious sunset on the way out.

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Day 2: It's so nice to see the Bavarian countryside on the ride in. Been too long. Head into city for dinner, beers and obligatory Marienplatz shot.

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Day 3: Depart super early from Munich to Arvidsjaur (AJR). 100km bus ride to directly to the test facility and the cars. About 2.5 hours warm-up driving today, followed by dinner at the hotel.

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Day 4: Breakfast and briefing at the hotel then mostly drills today. Circles, figure-8s, guitars, slaloms. A little bit of small course driving. Dinner back at the hotel followed by a fleeting glimpse of Northern Lights.

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Day 5: Breakfast then all day driving. Today is the only truly snowy/blustery day. More advanced drills, giant skid pad (think 100M diameter) and larger courses. Today we also get the opportunity to drive the G80 xDrive comp and it is an absolute beast and it was Mintgrun! More on this later. Dinner back at the hotel.

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Day 6: Breakfast then all day driving. More giant skid pad and complex courses, including training for Ice Racer course followed by a few laps in the Ice Racer. The Ice Racer has extremely narrow tires with giant spikes. As such, it is an absolute animal and quite hard to drive vs. the stock cars riding on studded winter tires – 245 35 19 all around for those wondering. Dinner back at the hotel.

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Day 7: Breakfast then about 2 hours of driving, all on the largest course offered which happens to be about 3 miles…massive for a 20-30 mph sideways affair! Pile back into the bus and drive back to the airport for the slog back to Munich. Dinner and drinks in Munich.

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Day 8: Fly home to LAX. Nice to come home to 72 degrees and a glorious SoCal sunset.

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Impressions. The G8X is a great car overall, and I was definitely online building them in the last week. The best was the xDrive. The xDrive we got to try out the one afternoon was such a beast. Drifting the rear-drive comp cars we spent nearly the entire time in was like a delicate Waltz. The AWD version was like a techno rave meets heavy metal concert. Just pound it the entire time.

It was hard to get a sense of what these cars will be like on the road...they feel great for a week on the ice, but we're sliding all over and it's a relatively stressless experience. So, no idea of how heavy they really feel or how they ride, except you can tell they are bigger. I will say the carbon buckets are really cool, but they would be absolutely annoying to live with on any sort of road trip, as your legs are sort of forced to always be in a "focused" position. Interior quality is a step up for sure. The cars we used had developed some rattles, but they spent the better part of 10k miles bouncing around and crashing into snow, so that's to be expected. The sound is better than the last car, but only just. They are definitely more insulated than the old. That said, the general high-rev noise is just as annoyingly harsh as the previous car. The IOM green is definitely a winner.

Overall, the new car is definitely nice, but as time separates me from it, I'm not sure it's worth it as an upgrade from the M2C I have. I specced either a base car with a stick at mid-70s or an xDrive comp at low 80s. It's not much if you look at them as basically a replacement for what the M5 used to be. It's actually a downright steal. That said, it does seem a tad much for what the M3 always was.

Will I eventually end up with one? There's a decent chance, as I refuse to buy a Mexican-built BMW. That eliminates the G87 for me. As an aside, we saw a couple G87s lurking around the test center. I abided by the "no photos in the restricted area," so, sorry, I have nothing to show you all. Same goes for the G81 on the photos...really wish we could get that in the States, though. The elongated body really fits the design language of the front much better.

A one minute video I made for the gram follows below. Intentionally included a disproportionate number of crashes for effect...

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Wow that looks like so much fun!
You have no idea! It's great because the stress is entirely removed. Don't get me wrong, the Nurburgring lapping events are still my favorite, but the ice driving is a blood pressure free event.
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You have no idea! It's great because the stress is entirely removed. Don't get me wrong, the Nurburgring lapping events are still my favorite, but the ice driving is a blood pressure free event.

Is this a work related or invitational event that's paid for, or can anyone sign up for this like M School?
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You have no idea! It's great because the stress is entirely removed. Don't get me wrong, the Nurburgring lapping events are still my favorite, but the ice driving is a blood pressure free event.

Is this a work related or invitational event that's paid for, or can anyone sign up for this like M School?
Anyone can. I do it through/with Donnie Isley willwin2day at the BMWPC, as he takes groups here and to the ring. However, you can sign up through BMW's driving experience website. They generally require you take classes in order (the regular before the max), I did Max both times because of prior experience history.
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What a great experience. Thanks for taking the time to post it for us to see!
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What a great experience. Thanks for taking the time to post it for us to see!
+1.
Looks like you had a great time!
I love how they put a rash guard on the lower grill area.

I came from an F87C myself, so I understand your hesitation.
Your initial impression is spot on; it's bigger, more 'insulated', and maybe a little less engaging (less NVH through the seats) than the M2C.
But the G8x feels more sturdy and stable. I guess it's a matter of finding out what characteristics are more important for you.

Anyway, thank you so much for sharing your wonderful experience. I hope to get to enjoy something like that one day.
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+1.
Looks like you had a great time!
I love how they put a rash guard on the lower grill area.

I came from an F87C myself, so I understand your hesitation.
Your initial impression is spot on; it's bigger, more 'insulated', and maybe a little less engaging (less NVH through the seats) than the M2C.
But the G8x feels more sturdy and stable. I guess it's a matter of finding out what characteristics are more important for you.

Anyway, thank you so much for sharing your wonderful experience. I hope to get to enjoy something like that one day.
The front guard isn't just for the G8X cars...much as some may like to think. They had had them on the F8X cars too. I told the Germans I'd love to have one just for driving around LA! As for the front, I've really gotten over the grill part. My issue is the basin and range geography going on at the top of the grill/hood and particularly the side profile of the M4. This would be the first M car where I'd really be considering just the sedan for that reason.
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I knew BMW does their testing in that region but I had no idea they had a program that caters to aspiring Walter Röhr disciples. Looks like a blast; thanks for sharing.

(I'm sure you are looking forward to applying these new ice drifting skills at the next LA blizzard. Godspeed.)
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I did not know this existed. I'm definitely planning to sign up for this one day. Looks very awesome. What prior experience did you have that convinced them you should be allowed to sign up for the max program? Also, can you share any rough idea of what this cost? I'm guessing closer to $5k for the program, but you have to get there yourself?
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What a great experience. Thanks for taking the time to post it for us to see!
+1.
Looks like you had a great time!
I love how they put a rash guard on the lower grill area.

I came from an F87C myself, so I understand your hesitation.
Your initial impression is spot on; it's bigger, more 'insulated', and maybe a little less engaging (less NVH through the seats) than the M2C.
But the G8x feels more sturdy and stable. I guess it's a matter of finding out what characteristics are more important for you.

Anyway, thank you so much for sharing your wonderful experience. I hope to get to enjoy something like that one day.
The guard is less about road rash and more about packing the front grill with snow and making it difficult to clear. There is a lot of room between the grill and the heat exchangers.
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So damn cool! Didn't know this existed. I have added this to my driving bucket list! Thank you.
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I did not know this existed. I'm definitely planning to sign up for this one day. Looks very awesome. What prior experience did you have that convinced them you should be allowed to sign up for the max program? Also, can you share any rough idea of what this cost? I'm guessing closer to $5k for the program, but you have to get there yourself?
Prior to the first Max trip I was signed up for, I had done several US based M schools as well as BMW's Nurburgring sectional and Lapping trainings. The BMW Europe events (http://bmwdrivingexperience.com) are the one's I think they used to waive me. That said...going with Donnie's group would have cleared me too. This time, we had people without that much experience and they all got to go. I think Covid meant they just wanted to fill seats.

Historically, this program is about $6500. This time it was $7900 because we were down about 4 people from usual. And, yes, the Lutfhansa business class ticket was separate! But I paid $1398 for premium economy at the Thanksgiving sale and then got the upgrades for $900. $2298 RT direct to Munich from LAX in business is an insane steal. I knew when I booked it I'd be offered the upgrades and I was! All in, with Munich hotels and incidentals, it was around $11k! So yea, not a cheap vacation.
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Wondering if my F&I guy Clint was there. He spoke of this in early January when I finalized our paperwork.

Hmm.
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You have no idea! It's great because the stress is entirely removed. Don't get me wrong, the Nurburgring lapping events are still my favorite, but the ice driving is a blood pressure free event.

Is this a work related or invitational event that's paid for, or can anyone sign up for this like M School?
I did the training in the prior F82, found it easier to fly into Stockholm and the take the LOT flight to Arvidsjaur. But that was pre-COVID and who knows about the flight schedule these days.

The BMW Driving Experience highly recommends this training as it books up fairly quickly when the dates are released in September each year.
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Wondering if my F&I guy Clint was there. He spoke of this in early January when I finalized our paperwork.

Hmm.
Yes he was…and was in my green group! Super nice guy!
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I did not know this existed. I'm definitely planning to sign up for this one day. Looks very awesome. What prior experience did you have that convinced them you should be allowed to sign up for the max program? Also, can you share any rough idea of what this cost? I'm guessing closer to $5k for the program, but you have to get there yourself?
I did this program February 2019, as it was € 4,090.00 booking directly through the BMW driving experience as a single. Back then the charter flight from Munich to Arvidsjaur was an extra € 615. The LOT one way was USD 185. This is the charter website www.fly-car.de.

Remember your paying a tour group rate, but if you have never been to Munich, then I suggest you go with the PC group.
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Great pic F8SEVEN of the Northern lights.

I'm sure you saw the XM prototype when y'all filled up.
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I'm sure you saw the XM prototype when y'all filled up.
Sure did! It was blasting through 75 mph power slides!
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Great pic F8SEVEN of the Northern lights.

I'm sure you saw the XM prototype when y'all filled up.
Sure did! It was blasting through 75 mph power slides!
How bout the Thursday night party at ice igloo down street from the hotel with all the engineers from BMW, MB, Bosch, Siemens? For all of you, this is the hotel link: https://silverresort.se
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