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      02-09-2022, 07:53 PM   #1
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Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series: 00:56,03 min
Porsche 911 GT3: 00:56,43 min
KTM X-Bow R: 00:57,16 min
Chevrolett Corvette Stingray: 00:59,83 min
BMW M4 Competition xDrive 01:00,07 min
Aston Martin Vantage F1 Edition: 01:00,53 min
Alfa Romeo Giulia GTAm: 01:01,03 min
VW Golf R: 01:02,26 min
Toyota GR Yaris: 01:03,31 min

Faster than the track focused Giulia GTAm and Vantage F1 Edition
They did complain that the car has lost some of the "wild" character compared to previous generation and feels like a more mature car and less playful.
No mention of tires used, so most likely MPS4S
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Holy, how crazy fast is the new GT3. xD
Porsche nailed it.
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Holy, how crazy fast is the new GT3. xD
Porsche nailed it.
Wow Golf R hanging with the big boys!
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I would have expected it to be much faster than the Covette, as in a couple of seconds faster. I guess xDrive is not the solution for going fast around the track, only for races from the dig.
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I would have expected it to be much faster than the Covette, as in a couple of seconds faster. I guess xDrive is not the solution for going fast around the track, only for races from the dig.
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Holy, how crazy fast is the new GT3. xD
Porsche nailed it.
Yes., arguably the best pure sports car made today
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Are those the 963M performance rims in gunmetal grey?
Yep, those are 963M.
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GT3 is a great car. So is the Lambo Evo which it costs as much as. Most tests show the Vette just a hair quicker than the M4C, but depends on the track.
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Came across this similar review:
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Wow Golf R hanging with the big boys!
For the money it really is impressive. In Canada a Golf R is less than half the price as an M4 AWD.
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I would have expected it to be much faster than the Covette, as in a couple of seconds faster. I guess xDrive is not the solution for going fast around the track, only for races from the dig.
You are comparing apples to oranges. You can't draw a conclusion on a car that wasn't even in the test.
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Part 1 (use English subtitles):


Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series: 00:56,03 min
Porsche 911 GT3: 00:56,43 min
KTM X-Bow R: 00:57,16 min
Chevrolett Corvette Stingray: 00:59,83 min
BMW M4 Competition xDrive 01:00,07 min
Aston Martin Vantage F1 Edition: 01:00,53 min
Alfa Romeo Giulia GTAm: 01:01,03 min
VW Golf R: 01:02,26 min
Toyota GR Yaris: 01:03,31 min

Faster than the track focused Giulia GTAm and Vantage F1 Edition
They did complain that the car has lost some of the "wild" character compared to previous generation and feels like a more mature car and less playful.
No mention of tires used, so most likely MPS4S
Wonder if they didn't have m drive professional - from the videos I've seen it essentially turns the character to be more wild than the xDrive
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Wow Golf R hanging with the big boys!
For the money it really is impressive. In Canada a Golf R is less than half the price as an M4 AWD.
You can also have the combo 6MT/Awd with the golf.
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I would have expected it to be much faster than the Covette, as in a couple of seconds faster. I guess xDrive is not the solution for going fast around the track, only for races from the dig.
The Corvette is a true sports car. You are not going to beat it in outright performance with a heavier front engine platform designed to also underpin a 320i. If they ran a RWD M4 Comp it wouldn't be that close.
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From what I can see, the M4 and the Yaris are on PS4S and the Golf on PSC2, it makes a difference. With the same tires Yaris and Golf would be really close.
They complain about the loss of wildness on the M4, this is partially true, but if you want a car that performs well on the track you need grip and stability, the old Ms were probably more fun but less effective, you can't have both.
You make a good lap time going forward, not sliding
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From what I can see, the M4 and the Yaris are on PS4S and the Golf on PSC2, it makes a difference. With the same tires Yaris and Golf would be really close.
They complain about the loss of wildness on the M4, this is partially true, but if you want a car that performs well on the track you need grip and stability, the old Ms were probably more fun but less effective, you can't have both.
You make a good lap time going forward, not sliding
The Star MPS4S are quite amazing. I'd love to see some data and comparisons to the Cup2 on the same car, same day, same track, with the same # of laps without cooldowns to see how they handle heat. Which gets greasy first? How's the wear after one track day? How many heat cycles until they are toast etc?
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The Star MPS4S are quite amazing. I'd love to see some data and comparisons to the Cup2 on the same car, same day, same track, with the same # of laps without cooldowns to see how they handle heat. Which gets greasy first? How's the wear after one track day? How many heat cycles until they are toast etc?
You can see here the difference on one lap time between MPS4S* and MPSC2* on the same conditions. I guess that lap after lap the gap increases considerably in favor of the Cup2 especially for temperature management.

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it always amazes me how fast these cars are and the fact you can just drive them to the local target lol
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it always amazes me how fast these cars are and the fact you can just drive them to the local target lol
Pretty nuts right? Not that long ago, to get the same performance, you would have to have a lot of compromise.
But on the flip side, are you losing a lot of pure driving joy by not having those compromises? Sort of like having a super fast EV, who cares if it goes 0-60 in 2.0 if it gets old after a week right? But that's a conversation for a different thread.

Back to the topic, anyone else amazed at what VW is doing with the Golf R/GTI?
And one more thing, I would really like to see times after a 30 minute track session. Like, is the performance degrading by a ton or by a little?
The M4 is faster than the GTAm but what about after some time at the track, does the M4 pick up time or lose it?
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it always amazes me how fast these cars are and the fact you can just drive them to the local target lol
Pretty nuts right? Not that long ago, to get the same performance, you would have to have a lot of compromise.
But on the flip side, are you losing a lot of pure driving joy by not having those compromises? Sort of like having a super fast EV, who cares if it goes 0-60 in 2.0 if it gets old after a week right? But that's a conversation for a different thread.

Back to the topic, anyone else amazed at what VW is doing with the Golf R/GTI?
And one more thing, I would really like to see times after a 30 minute track session. Like, is the performance degrading by a ton or by a little?
The M4 is faster than the GTAm but what about after some time at the track, does the M4 pick up time or lose it?
The more fair comparison will be when our CSL hits the track against the GTAm
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How's the wear after one track day? How many heat cycles until they are toast etc?
If you are fast, the MPS4S will not last the day. 3 heat cycles and they will be shredded at the front. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Might depend on the track +/- another couple of heat cycles.

Go Cups, Hoosiers, NT01 etc. Otherwise you won’t have much fun at the track and will curse wildly on the street.
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