BMW M3 and M4 - The Icons
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
G80 BMW M3 and M4 General Topics G80 M3 /G82 M4 versus...

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      10-16-2021, 08:02 AM   #1
Mani59
BMW Miniature Collector!
United Kingdom
5115
Rep
7,033
Posts

Drives: E39 530i Champ. & E46 330i Inv
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Leicestershire

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
EverydayDriver - Mustang Mach 1 vs BMW M4 - Horse vs Beaver

BIMMERPOST
     Featured on BIMMERPOST.com
Quote:
The latest BMW M4 has controversial styling and nearly identical performance to the new Mustang Mach-1. They don't match on price, but are the same in nearly every other metric. Which one does muscle car the best?
__________________


Visit my (mainly) BMW gallery http://jetone.co.uk and my WIP BMW Scale Miniatures Model gallery https://bmwminiatures.co.uk/
Appreciate 2
Tacoma736.50
      10-16-2021, 04:41 PM   #2
par_m3
Private
par_m3's Avatar
151
Rep
98
Posts

Drives: ‘22 G80 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern VA

iTrader: (0)

I love Mustangs. I’ve owned many, and will probably own many more. My most recent was a GT350 — amazing machine. But I don’t really think there is any realistic cross shopping between a M4 and a Mach 1. You’ve got what… $20k at least between them?
Appreciate 5
      10-16-2021, 06:50 PM   #3
bri1042
Colonel
bri1042's Avatar
2656
Rep
2,347
Posts

Drives: 2021 IOMG M3 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Portland, OR

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by par_m3 View Post
I love Mustangs. I’ve owned many, and will probably own many more. My most recent was a GT350 — amazing machine. But I don’t really think there is any realistic cross shopping between a M4 and a Mach 1. You’ve got what… $20k at least between them?
I was cross-shopping various Mustang breeds while planning my move back to a Manual when I had my DCT F87C. So few manuals left, didn't have much of a choice. I test drove several versions of the car over time. I liked most of the versions past the stock GT, but utterly hated the interior in all of them. Even the GT350 (non-track-pack-thingy) wasn't fun enough to make up for how dissatisfied I was sitting in it. The GT Mustang is floppy and incoherent without the now-discontinued Performance Pack II. The adaptive dampers in PPII, the Mach 1, and the GT350 are a MUST for that platform to shine (I can't remember what the Bullit has and doesn't have).

I still very well might have bought one if I hadn't gotten lucky with picking up my G80.

But that's just me. Our two Utah friends in this video certainly didn't seem to care about the rental car insides of the Mustang compared to how much they hate the nose of the of G82. Fun times.

Also, the price-gap with the cars feature-matched is much less than 20k. It was about 8k when priced the Mach 1 vs my car. The insides of our cars even with just Extended Leather are well worth 8k.

Last edited by bri1042; 10-16-2021 at 07:35 PM..
Appreciate 0
      10-16-2021, 08:11 PM   #4
par_m3
Private
par_m3's Avatar
151
Rep
98
Posts

Drives: ‘22 G80 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern VA

iTrader: (0)

You're right about the interiors. They are not bad when you consider the level of performance you can get for the price, but if you are used to a high quality interior then it can be difficult to accept. I certainly wouldn't be satisfied daily driving one, but the fantastic chassis and glorious flat plane crank V8 in the GT350 helped me tolerate the cockpit.
Appreciate 2
CPTM334.50
nathanm4437.00
      10-17-2021, 07:59 AM   #5
bri1042
Colonel
bri1042's Avatar
2656
Rep
2,347
Posts

Drives: 2021 IOMG M3 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Portland, OR

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by par_m3 View Post
You're right about the interiors. They are not bad when you consider the level of performance you can get for the price, but if you are used to a high quality interior then it can be difficult to accept. I certainly wouldn't be satisfied daily driving one, but the fantastic chassis and glorious flat plane crank V8 in the GT350 helped me tolerate the cockpit.
Absolutely. By the time I was serious about changing my car, the GT350 was gone and we'd already heard that the Mach 1 wasn't getting it's engine. The GT350 I drove was a friend from out of town's, and he had two engines blow (covered under warranty). He'd had the car for 26 months, but the dealership had it in their possession for almost 6 of those months. Internet anecdotes aside, it's pretty clear why the Mach 1 wasn't getting it. I still came close to putting a deposit down on a Mach 1. In this day and age, an NA V8 with a manual and a competent chassis (with the right options on it) is a tempting thing.
Appreciate 1
CPTM334.50
      10-18-2021, 12:44 PM   #6
danf72
First Lieutenant
278
Rep
358
Posts

Drives: 2018 BMW X5, 2017 Tesla S75D
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: San Jose, CA

iTrader: (0)

Which one does muscle car the best?

Wait... the M4 is a muscle car?
Appreciate 1
330iToy52.00
      10-18-2021, 07:37 PM   #7
Germanauto
Major General
Germanauto's Avatar
United_States
7222
Rep
5,027
Posts

Drives: Alfa Giulia Ti, Rosso
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (0)

Have yet to watch but I'm frequently skeptical of these guys, they often don't know what they're talking about and rarely say much of substance.

Eg in their 3-series vs Giulia test, they claimed the 3er was significantly lighter. According to each manufacturer's website however, the 3-series is a smidge heavier.
__________________
Former
-2008 E90 328 black/brown
-2012 Lexus IS250 black/black
Appreciate 0
      10-18-2021, 09:05 PM   #8
Roch M4
I /// M FAN
Canada
318
Rep
367
Posts

Drives: M4 SS/SO 2016 / X5 40i 2021
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (0)

Comparing an M4 with a Mustang is like comparing Beef with Tofu...they may have the same number of proteins...but not really the same taste
Appreciate 5
The_Werm103.00
imOFP168.00
nathanm4437.00
scrammer414.50
houbmw55.50
      10-18-2021, 11:59 PM   #9
TonM3
Lieutenant
193
Rep
411
Posts

Drives: 2006 E46 M3 / 2017 M240
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Bethesda, MD

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roch M4 View Post
Comparing an M4 with a Mustang is like comparing Beef with Tofu...they may have the same number of proteins...but not really the same taste
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roch M4 View Post
Comparing an M4 with a Mustang is like comparing Beef with Tofu...they may have the same number of proteins...but not really the same taste
I actually don't know which is which in your analogy.
__________________
E46 -> E90 -> F30 -> F23
Appreciate 1
cbertels830.00
      10-19-2021, 12:48 AM   #10
buckybadger
BMW forever!
buckybadger's Avatar
883
Rep
1,978
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego, CA

iTrader: (0)

The horse versus the Beaver, lol, these guys are hilarious.
__________________
2020 BMW X5
2019 BMW M2C
2014 BMW 335i
2009 BMW 328i
Appreciate 0
      10-19-2021, 12:49 AM   #11
buckybadger
BMW forever!
buckybadger's Avatar
883
Rep
1,978
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by danf72 View Post
Which one does muscle car the best?

Wait... the M4 is a muscle car?
It's almost in the muscle car category. Used to be like a chisel before but now a fat 3 series that can dance a bit.
__________________
2020 BMW X5
2019 BMW M2C
2014 BMW 335i
2009 BMW 328i
Appreciate 2
danf72278.00
cbertels830.00
      10-19-2021, 07:05 AM   #12
Logical
Lieutenant
177
Rep
490
Posts

Drives: 2014 M5
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Berkshire County

iTrader: (0)

Muscle cars have more than 6 cylinders fellas. Cmon now. I've owned mustangs and bimmers for 25 years. As a bigger guy the interiors and seating always is an easy win for BMW. But the growl and torque of a blown V8 cannot be matched IMO.
__________________
2015 F85 X5 M
2015 F86 X6 M (Retired)
2014 F10 M5 (Retired)
2010 E70 X5 M (Retired), 2010 E92 M3 MT (Retired)
2006 E60 M5 (Retired), 2000 E39 M5 MT (Retired)
1999 E39 328i (Retired), 1995 525i (Retired)
1987 325i (Totaled - that was fun!)
Appreciate 0
      10-19-2021, 12:13 PM   #13
Mingwan
Major
1655
Rep
1,269
Posts

Drives: X1 Individual custom paint
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Kansas

iTrader: (0)

As controversial as the G8x styling is, the jokes about the front end are getting a bit long in the tooth…..
Appreciate 1
npcars26.00
      10-19-2021, 07:15 PM   #14
edofloat
I don't roll on shabbos
edofloat's Avatar
No_Country
130
Rep
307
Posts

Drives: BMW G05
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: ///MN

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Logical View Post
Muscle cars have more than 6 cylinders fellas. Cmon now. I've owned mustangs and bimmers for 25 years. As a bigger guy the interiors and seating always is an easy win for BMW. But the growl and torque of a blown V8 cannot be matched IMO.
Definition of muscle car
: any of a group of American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving.
__________________
Appreciate 1
Logical177.00
      10-19-2021, 07:16 PM   #15
edofloat
I don't roll on shabbos
edofloat's Avatar
No_Country
130
Rep
307
Posts

Drives: BMW G05
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: ///MN

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Germanauto View Post
Have yet to watch but I'm frequently skeptical of these guys, they often don't know what they're talking about and rarely say much of substance.

Eg in their 3-series vs Giulia test, they claimed the 3er was significantly lighter. According to each manufacturer's website however, the 3-series is a smidge heavier.
Those two...if you drive an M4 you didn't earn it? WTF. I can't believe how good this car is to drive, but I'm picking the Mustang.

The Mustang sounds spectacular which will make it sell. Can't get past the Mustang interior.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      10-19-2021, 07:50 PM   #16
Roch M4
I /// M FAN
Canada
318
Rep
367
Posts

Drives: M4 SS/SO 2016 / X5 40i 2021
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TonM3 View Post
I actually don't know which is which in your analogy.
BMW is B for Beef .. Ford is F for Tofu
Appreciate 0
      10-21-2021, 05:10 PM   #17
Edmund1812
New Member
3
Rep
6
Posts

Drives: X3MC, Ram 1500, ordered X5MC
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: Tx

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Logical View Post
Muscle cars have more than 6 cylinders fellas. Cmon now. I've owned mustangs and bimmers for 25 years. As a bigger guy the interiors and seating always is an easy win for BMW. But the growl and torque of a blown V8 cannot be matched IMO.
Must have been a Blown engine in a Black Camaro I ran into yesterday. Low and tires a ft wide. Should have known.
Open highway in Texas. Did the dance. From 65 he walked away easy. I was surprised.
2021 X3MC.
Just had to chip in.
Appreciate 1
Logical177.00
      10-22-2021, 09:19 AM   #18
SigmaShift
New Member
39
Rep
28
Posts

Drives: 2021 BMW X4M & 2022 BMW M4Cx
Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: Pittsburgh

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bri1042 View Post
I was cross-shopping various Mustang breeds while planning my move back to a Manual when I had my DCT F87C. So few manuals left, didn't have much of a choice. I test drove several versions of the car over time. I liked most of the versions past the stock GT, but utterly hated the interior in all of them. Even the GT350 (non-track-pack-thingy) wasn't fun enough to make up for how dissatisfied I was sitting in it. The GT Mustang is floppy and incoherent without the now-discontinued Performance Pack II. The adaptive dampers in PPII, the Mach 1, and the GT350 are a MUST for that platform to shine (I can't remember what the Bullit has and doesn't have).

I still very well might have bought one if I hadn't gotten lucky with picking up my G80.

But that's just me. Our two Utah friends in this video certainly didn't seem to care about the rental car insides of the Mustang compared to how much they hate the nose of the of G82. Fun times.

Also, the price-gap with the cars feature-matched is much less than 20k. It was about 8k when priced the Mach 1 vs my car. The insides of our cars even with just Extended Leather are well worth 8k.
You can still get a new Mustang GT with Magneride, it's just a stand alone option now with PP1, like how it has been with the 10spd cars since 2018.
Appreciate 0
      10-22-2021, 04:31 PM   #19
bri1042
Colonel
bri1042's Avatar
2656
Rep
2,347
Posts

Drives: 2021 IOMG M3 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Portland, OR

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SigmaShift View Post
You can still get a new Mustang GT with Magneride, it's just a stand alone option now with PP1, like how it has been with the 10spd cars since 2018.
Ah! Nice to know, but the horse has left the stable.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:25 AM.




g80
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST