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      05-04-2021, 01:10 PM   #1
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Manual M4 Review by Brian Makse

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He did a review of the old F82 and GT4 race car and has a lot of experience on the track, so he's got a good basis to judge G82. Good dose of reality for all of us
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Never drove the M4, but I think the manual fits the characteristics of M3 just fine.
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Great review; echoes all of the good things I've observed.

It's important to note that he drove the car with the chassis set to Comfort instead of the much more aggressive Sport Plus (clearly visible in the video). Sport Plus makes a big difference in how the car feels in the turns. All of that extra movement he's talking about is almost completely tuned out in Sport Plus.

Matt Farah of The Smoking Tire did the same thing.

Should be a good sign for those who have yet to drive it that he raved about practically everything else - the grip, steering, powerband, 6-speed gearing, and braking all were rated highly by Brian.

BTW, if you're going 6-speed, you can easily keep the MSRP under $85k and even under $80k if you don't need the CF buckets. Knock off a few more bucks for G80. Amazing, amazing value.
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Great review; echoes all of the good things I've observed.

It's important to note that he drove the car with the chassis set to Comfort instead of the much more aggressive Sport Plus (clearly visible in the video). Sport Plus makes a big difference in how the car feels in the turns. All of that extra movement he's talking about is almost completely tuned out in Sport Plus.

Matt Farah of The Smoking Tire did the same thing.

Should be a good sign for those who have yet to drive it that he raved about practically everything else - the grip, steering, powerband, 6-speed gearing, and braking all were rated highly by Brian.

BTW, if you're going 6-speed, you can easily keep the MSRP under $85k and even under $80k if you don't need the CF buckets. Knock off a few more bucks for G80. Amazing, amazing value.
I don't know if BMW is doing themselves favors spec'ing these out so far on testers. It makes the price sound so nutty. My M3 6MT was south of 80k and I still don't feel like I'm missing anything that I actually care about (except maybe full leather instead of extended...which still would have been barely over 80k on an M4 and a hair under on an M3).
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I don't know if BMW is doing themselves favors spec'ing these out so far on testers. It makes the price sound so nutty. My M3 6MT was south of 80k and I still don't feel like I'm missing anything that I actually care about (except maybe full leather instead of extended...which still would have been barely over 80k on an M4 and a hair under on an M3).
Agreed. $100k for an M4 sounds excessive until you realize that you can subtract the Frozen paint, CCBs, exterior CF, and M Driverís Package and have essentially the same car with lots of goodies like HUD and laser lights and interior CF for right at $80k.
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Agreed. $100k for an M4 sounds excessive until you realize that you can subtract the Frozen paint, CCBs, exterior CF, and M Driverís Package and have essentially the same car with lots of goodies like HUD and laser lights and interior CF for right at $80k.
The press cars are always loaded with all the unnecessary stuff. It's looking like:

Enthusiast spec: $80k
Dealer spec: $90k
Review/Loaded: $100k+

Pretty much what you would have found on F8X. Many non-CS models were hitting $90k+ which was pretty ludicrous IMO
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Great review; echoes all of the good things I've observed.

It's important to note that he drove the car with the chassis set to Comfort instead of the much more aggressive Sport Plus (clearly visible in the video). Sport Plus makes a big difference in how the car feels in the turns. All of that extra movement he's talking about is almost completely tuned out in Sport Plus.

Matt Farah of The Smoking Tire did the same thing.

Should be a good sign for those who have yet to drive it that he raved about practically everything else - the grip, steering, powerband, 6-speed gearing, and braking all were rated highly by Brian.

BTW, if you're going 6-speed, you can easily keep the MSRP under $85k and even under $80k if you don't need the CF buckets. Knock off a few more bucks for G80. Amazing, amazing value.
This is the kind of thing that just kills me. I watched the review and in the back of my head I was thinking "wow, he's the first to call this thing floaty."

Then I noticed the same thing you did - he's evaluating the handling in the mode specifically designed to _not_ be about handling.

I will never understand this - it takes time and effort for him to make these videos, but then he doesn't take the extra 3 minutes to make sure he's actually evaluating the car at its best.
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I feel like since it's an auto box now, the decision for a manual is clear.
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I feel like since it's an auto box now, the decision for a manual is clear.
Yes now that DCT is not a choice it's just easier, you have more engagement and extra dynamic on one side and the true comfortable auto on the other side.

Before you had this kind of middle ground with the DCT, missing the involvement of the Manual but querky and not as smooth as a true Auto.

I think now people will be happier with there choice be it one or the other, they are more definitive.
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The title of this video makes more sense than the content.
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I don't know if BMW is doing themselves favors spec'ing these out so far on testers. It makes the price sound so nutty. My M3 6MT was south of 80k and I still don't feel like I'm missing anything that I actually care about (except maybe full leather instead of extended...which still would have been barely over 80k on an M4 and a hair under on an M3).
Agreed, I specc'd mine at $93k but could have easily kept it under $80 without the individual color, bucket seats and CF exterior package.
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So for reference, this was his review for F8X & the GT4. Cool to see the GT4 up close, and a good preview of some of the things that the upcoming G82 GT3 will have going (but will be more extreme due to GT3 class rather than GT4). This isn't a pro F8X or anti G8X post, but I feel like people probably need some context on where this guy is coming from

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What's his deal? He's complaining about body roll driving in Comfort suspension? Why not put slippers on and complain about brake feel?
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SAVE THE MANUALS!!

But actually, don't go buy this one... one of the few remaining performance cars on the market offering a manual. And a truly rewarding car to drive...

Pretty terrible job of being an "advocate" for the MT
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Okay which one of you was this
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Fair review in terms of his overall feedback.

While i got a 6MT (personal choice for the engagement it provides) his argument is quite fair about extracting the best from the car. It isnt a car where the NEED for a manual is obvious vs. an automatic and frankly with these turbo powered engines of course going to be marginally slower...

that said, agree with others it may have been helpful if he actually reviewed the different modes (as he did with the braking) to give a feel for how the driving dynamic changed...
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I wonder if he is in comfort mode because he is filming. Not to say he tested in comfort mode. Because he doesn't want the camera to be shaking. Plus he needs to concentrate on what he is saying while driving. He may only be driving at 5/10ths while filming.
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