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G82 M4 Competition Auto Bild Sportscars Supertest - 1:32,76 laptime at Sachsenring

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Current issue of German AutoBild sportscars had the supertest of M4 Competition.

Weight was 1695 kg with TrackPackage.
Laptime at track Sachsenring was 1:32,76 with Michelin Cup2 tyres.
This is 0,4s behind Porsche 992 Carrera S, and 0,4s faster than the M4 GTS.
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Thanks for sharing!

Great review and also interesting to see a Comp model weighing in at 1695kg (3733lbs)!
Compares well with the weight of the manual car and the "lightweight" manual std model from the BMW video.

A more realistic power test (compared to Dynojets etc) shows 522hp and 665Nm which is in line with factory figures.

Their verdict ("Fazit") is also interesting:

"Bravo BMW! The new M4 is fast like a 911, but not a 911 copy, which squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless. Precision and fun to drive is a better description (for the M4). And about the kidneys; you get used to everything".
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Wow faster than the GTS! This car is insane.
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Wow faster than the GTS! This car is insane.
BMW did benchmark the GTS when building these new Generation M3/M4.
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Wow faster than the GTS! This car is insane.
BMW did benchmark the GTS when building these new Generation M3/M4.
Oh no doubt! I'm just surprised still seeing as it's so much heavier.
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Wow faster than the GTS! This car is insane.
BMW did benchmark the GTS when building these new Generation M3/M4.
Oh no doubt! I'm just surprised still seeing as it's so much heavier.
It's "just" 94kg (207lbs) heavier than the GTS (1601kg vs 1695kg).

It has more tire on the ground and probably better bracing to support/stiffen suspension pickup points. However it has std suspension and not coilovers like the GTS. So it's quite impressive yes.

This gen M3/M4 has the potential to be the largest leap between generations in track performance in the history of M3/M4...

Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

All the lap times are Sport Auto Supertest lap times, apart from the G82 which is a inside source BMW factory lap time (unclear if that is the SA layout or full length lap).

Previous gen std M3/M4 have been slower than the predecessor CSL/GTS models. The G8x Comp seem to be faster than the previous gen GTS and CS...
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Not surprised actually, Bmw already claimed that with cup tires the new M4 would have been faster on the track than the M4 GTS. Promise kept.
Great job though.
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This test proves the G8x is a beast... I wonder how the AWD version will perform on this same track
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It's "just" 94kg (207lbs) heavier than the GTS (1601kg vs 1695kg).

It has more tire on the ground and probably better bracing to support/stiffen suspension pickup points. However it has std suspension and not coilovers like the GTS. So it's quite impressive yes.

This gen M3/M4 has the potential to be the largest leap between generations in track performance in the history of M3/M4...

Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

Previous gen std M3/M4 have been slower than the predecessor CSL/GTS models. The G8x Comp seem to be faster than the previous gen GTS and CS...
These results are obvious the second after you steer into your first high-speed turn. This car is a weapon.

Do you have M2C/CS numbers?
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It's "just" 94kg (207lbs) heavier than the GTS (1601kg vs 1695kg).

It has more tire on the ground and probably better bracing to support/stiffen suspension pickup points. However it has std suspension and not coilovers like the GTS. So it's quite impressive yes.

This gen M3/M4 has the potential to be the largest leap between generations in track performance in the history of M3/M4...

Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

Previous gen std M3/M4 have been slower than the predecessor CSL/GTS models. The G8x Comp seem to be faster than the previous gen GTS and CS...
These results are obvious the second after you steer into your first high-speed turn. This car is a weapon.

Do you have M2C/CS numbers?
M2 CS: 7:42,99
M2 Comp: 7:52,36

All the lap times are Sport Auto Supertest lap times, apart from the G82 which is a inside source BMW factory lap time (unclear if that is the SA layout or full length lap).
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M2 CS: 7:42,99
M2 Comp: 7:52,36

All the lap times are Sport Auto Supertest lap times, apart from the G82 which is a insider BMW factory lap time (unclear if that is the SA layout or full length lap).

Thank you. That will be an exceptional delta if SA can replicate it.
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Wow faster than the GTS! This car is insane.
BMW did benchmark the GTS when building these new Generation M3/M4.
Oh no doubt! I'm just surprised still seeing as it's so much heavier.
It's "just" 94kg (207lbs) heavier than the GTS (1601kg vs 1695kg).

It has more tire on the ground and probably better bracing to support/stiffen suspension pickup points. However it has std suspension and not coilovers like the GTS. So it's quite impressive yes.

This gen M3/M4 has the potential to be the largest leap between generations in track performance in the history of M3/M4...

Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

All the lap times are Sport Auto Supertest lap times, apart from the G82 which is a inside source BMW factory lap time (unclear if that is the SA layout or full length lap).

Previous gen std M3/M4 have been slower than the predecessor CSL/GTS models. The G8x Comp seem to be faster than the previous gen GTS and CS...
The F82 M4 Std SA time is a few seconds slower than it should have been.

G8x SA Nordschleife time of 7:34 - 7:39 is what I'm expecting to see.
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Wow faster than the GTS! This car is insane.
BMW did benchmark the GTS when building these new Generation M3/M4.
Oh no doubt! I'm just surprised still seeing as it's so much heavier.
It's "just" 94kg (207lbs) heavier than the GTS (1601kg vs 1695kg).

It has more tire on the ground and probably better bracing to support/stiffen suspension pickup points. However it has std suspension and not coilovers like the GTS. So it's quite impressive yes.

This gen M3/M4 has the potential to be the largest leap between generations in track performance in the history of M3/M4...

Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

All the lap times are Sport Auto Supertest lap times, apart from the G82 which is a inside source BMW factory lap time (unclear if that is the SA layout or full length lap).

Previous gen std M3/M4 have been slower than the predecessor CSL/GTS models. The G8x Comp seem to be faster than the previous gen GTS and CS...
The F82 M4 Std SA time is a few seconds slower than it should have been.

G8x SA Nordschleife time of 7:34 - 7:39 is what I'm expecting to see.
Thanks for the info and prediction on SA time (which usually is a bit slower than factory lap times for obvious reasons) 😊
If G8x SA time is 7:34-7:39, that would be right there with the F82 GTS 👍
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Thanks for sharing!

Great review and also interesting to see a Comp model weighing in at 1695kg (3733lbs)!
Compares well with the weight of the manual car and the "lightweight" manual std model from the BMW video.

A more realistic power test (compared to Dynojets etc) shows 522hp and 665Nm which is in line with factory figures.

Their verdict ("Fazit") is also interesting:

"Bravo BMW! The new M4 is fast like a 911, but not a 911 copy, which squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless. Precision and fun to drive is a better description (for the M4). And about the kidneys; you get used to everything".
To be clear, with "squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless" they did not mean the 911 either I think. They just say the M4 isn't that.
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Thanks for sharing!

Great review and also interesting to see a Comp model weighing in at 1695kg (3733lbs)!
Compares well with the weight of the manual car and the "lightweight" manual std model from the BMW video.

A more realistic power test (compared to Dynojets etc) shows 522hp and 665Nm which is in line with factory figures.

Their verdict ("Fazit") is also interesting:

"Bravo BMW! The new M4 is fast like a 911, but not a 911 copy, which squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless. Precision and fun to drive is a better description (for the M4). And about the kidneys; you get used to everything".
To be clear, with "squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless" they did not mean the 911 either I think. They just say the M4 isn't that.
They did mean the 911 as I understood the original text in German.

That resonates with some other comparison reviews of the 911, it's a surgical instrument but could have been more fun/playful.
I guess it depends on preferences as well.
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Thanks for sharing!

Great review and also interesting to see a Comp model weighing in at 1695kg (3733lbs)!
Compares well with the weight of the manual car and the "lightweight" manual std model from the BMW video.

A more realistic power test (compared to Dynojets etc) shows 522hp and 665Nm which is in line with factory figures.

Their verdict ("Fazit") is also interesting:

"Bravo BMW! The new M4 is fast like a 911, but not a 911 copy, which squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless. Precision and fun to drive is a better description (for the M4). And about the kidneys; you get used to everything".
To be clear, with "squats dull over the track and can seem emotionless" they did not mean the 911 either I think. They just say the M4 isn't that.
They did mean the 911 as I understood the original text in German.

That resonates with some other comparison reviews of the 911, it's a surgical instrument but could have been more fun/playful.
I guess it depends on preferences as well.
Yup. The non-GT 992 have lost the playful hair trigger character of old. The harder you push, the more distant it becomes.
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The F82 M4 Std SA time is a few seconds slower than it should have been.

G8x SA Nordschleife time of 7:34 - 7:39 is what I'm expecting to see.
Those BMW factory drivers know their sh*t
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The F82 M4 Std SA time is a few seconds slower than it should have been.

G8x SA Nordschleife time of 7:34 - 7:39 is what I'm expecting to see.
Those BMW factory drivers know their sh*t
I think it has more to do with *DON'T CRASH THE PRESS CAR".

3rd party Insurance coverage in the event of a brown incident during a timed Nordschleife lap is a tricky subject.
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The F82 M4 Std SA time is a few seconds slower than it should have been.

G8x SA Nordschleife time of 7:34 - 7:39 is what I'm expecting to see.
I'm assuming this would be on Cup2's?
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It's "just" 94kg (207lbs) heavier than the GTS (1601kg vs 1695kg).

It has more tire on the ground and probably better bracing to support/stiffen suspension pickup points. However it has std suspension and not coilovers like the GTS. So it's quite impressive yes.

This gen M3/M4 has the potential to be the largest leap between generations in track performance in the history of M3/M4...

Nürburgring Supertest lap times:

E36 M3: 8:35
E46 M3: 8:22
E46 M3 CSL: 7:50
E92 M3: 8:05
E92 M3 GTS: 7:49
F82 M4: 7:52
F82 M4 GTS: 7:37
F82 M4 CS: 7:42
G82 M4 Comp: 7:28-7:29

All the lap times are Sport Auto Supertest lap times, apart from the G82 which is a inside source BMW factory lap time (unclear if that is the SA layout or full length lap).

Previous gen std M3/M4 have been slower than the predecessor CSL/GTS models. The G8x Comp seem to be faster than the previous gen GTS and CS...
A very impressive showing indeed.

A few precision points, the G82 tested here only has marginally wider front tires than the F82 CS/GTS (275 vs 265) and same rear size. I believe the main difference regarding the tires is from the latest gen PSC2. Pretty cool that they tested both the PS4S and PSC2.

Regarding chassis bracing, there is no indication that the G8X has superior bracing over the F8X. IMO, chassis improvements stem from the wider track and latest gen suspension tech (EDC).

With a 7.8s 100-200km/h, the S58 is mightily impressive too!

1,595kg is a nice surprise. What strikes me is the weight distribution: 57/43 . That's Audi territory. EDIT: it is a typo in the picture, the tech sheet shows the correct 53/47 distribution.
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This is 0,4s behind Porsche 992 Carrera S.
Comparing apples to apples on street tires, it is 1.6 seconds according to the article though...
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A very impressive showing indeed.

A few precision points, the G82 tested here only has marginally wider front tires than the F82 CS/GTS (275 vs 265) and same rear size. I believe the main difference regarding the tires is from the latest gen PSC2.

Regarding chassis bracing, there is no indication that the G8X has superior bracing over the F8X. IMO, chassis improvements stem from the wider track and latest gen suspension tech (EDC).

With a 7.8s 100-200km/h, the S58 is mightily impressive too!

1,595kg is a nice surprise. What strikes me is the weight distribution: 57/43 . That's Audi territory. No wonder they needed those wider front tires and wider front track.
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