BMW M3 and M4 - The Icons
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
home
G80 BMW M3 and M4 General Topics G80 M3 /G82 M4 versus...

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      03-09-2021, 08:24 PM   #1
Jason
Administrator
Jason's Avatar
United_States
40294
Rep
21,232
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

CAR Magazine: BMW M4 Competition vs Porsche 911 Track Review

__________________
Check on the Latest BMW News
Become a fan of Bimmerpost Facebook
Follow us on Bimmerpost Twitter
Subscribe to Bimmerpost Youtube Channel
Appreciate 7
Frosty772.50
Lady Jane68871.50
spuntyb4051.50
oz555671.00
      03-09-2021, 08:45 PM   #2
ShockArrival
Lieutenant
ShockArrival's Avatar
United_States
496
Rep
494
Posts

Drives: G80 Search
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: STL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2014 BMW M5  [0.00]
Enjoyed it, thanks for sharing!
__________________
Hunting for a G80 | 997 911 C2S AS/Blk 6MT SC SOUL
Appreciate 0
      03-09-2021, 09:33 PM   #3
R0ut3r
Private First Class
R0ut3r's Avatar
No_Country
125
Rep
190
Posts

Drives: 2020 Lamborghini Urus, 2021 Fe
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (0)

911 vs M3/M4... a recurring comparison done by enthusiasts and car reviewers for over two decades now.

Track performance and pure race car feel —> 911

Everyday do it all car with similar performance—> M3/M4

People who have owned both, myself included, loved them both for different reasons. Yet, unless you can afford a very large stable of cars, they are a little too similar to have at the same time (unless you have multiple drivers in the household, of course).
__________________
___________________________________________
Current: 2021 Lamborghini Urus, 2021 Ferrari F8 Tributo Spider, 2019 X3, 2022 M4C Cab
Past: 2009 e92 335XI, 2012 e92 M3, 2014 335XI, 2016 X6M, 2019 M5, 2013 Ferrari California, 2017 Ferrari California T, 2020 X4MC, 2020 Porsche C4S Cab (992)
Montreal, Canada
Appreciate 14
Sedan_Clan24809.50
CPTM343.50
chris7197273.00
JustChris17423.00
Scorp!on1510.00
JTO245246.50
kyleb350422.00
bmr760139.00
clee1982796.00
      03-09-2021, 10:15 PM   #4
Sedan_Clan
Law Enforcer
Sedan_Clan's Avatar
Brazil
24810
Rep
22,222
Posts

Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!

iTrader: (26)

Great review!!!!
Appreciate 1
solstice5456.50
      03-10-2021, 01:08 AM   #5
SeanWRT
Colonel
SeanWRT's Avatar
3179
Rep
2,577
Posts

Drives: E90 M3 & F87 M2
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Shanghai

iTrader: (1)

Picked the wrong fight. The 911 base takes a decisive victory here.

The Camry would've scored one point on the back seat in this test as well if that makes sense.
__________________
Lemania 2320
Appreciate 2
Swappy531.50
      03-10-2021, 01:10 AM   #6
solstice
Major General
5457
Rep
7,037
Posts

Drives: 2015 M3 6MT
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Seattle

iTrader: (0)

So I’m not alone struggling mightily with this decision. It sucks since if I don’t decide now between the added unknowns of the AWD and the known 992 we loose a summer with the 992 should it be our choice in the end. Decisions, decisions.

And at this point no outsider input will be of any help. It’s only me and my wife who can separate them for us and I think an AWD G82 test drive is a must before we can.
Appreciate 3
clee1982796.00
ChrisM41523.50
      03-10-2021, 01:26 AM   #7
Sedan_Clan
Law Enforcer
Sedan_Clan's Avatar
Brazil
24810
Rep
22,222
Posts

Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!

iTrader: (26)

I still often wonder why we pit "two seaters" that are a tad more dedicated against cars designed to handle a little bit of everything.
Appreciate 8
      03-10-2021, 01:33 AM   #8
solstice
Major General
5457
Rep
7,037
Posts

Drives: 2015 M3 6MT
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Seattle

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan View Post
I still often wonder why we pit "two seaters" that are a tad more dedicated against cars designed to handle a little bit of everything.
Likely because they both appeal strongly to the same crowd. It’s a give and take situation in what you are willing to sacrifice for us that do need to sacrifice at one end.

Get the two seater and sacrifice practicality we make good use of but can do without or sacrifice ultimate driving dynamics and classic sports car aura.

It’s not about which is best at something, we know that isn’t comparable. It’s about deciding which sacrifice is worst. Not an easy thing to do on paper.
Appreciate 3
Sedan_Clan24809.50
JTO245246.50
      03-10-2021, 01:34 AM   #9
chris719
Major General
7273
Rep
7,252
Posts

Drives: '08 M Roadster
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

I would say 90% of the people comparing an M4 and a 911 don't know what they want and need to decide first. That might be test driving both, but I always found the head-to-head reviews to be a bit weird.
Appreciate 2
Sedan_Clan24809.50
solstice5456.50
      03-10-2021, 01:35 AM   #10
Sedan_Clan
Law Enforcer
Sedan_Clan's Avatar
Brazil
24810
Rep
22,222
Posts

Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!

iTrader: (26)

Quote:
Originally Posted by chris719 View Post
I would say 90% of the people comparing an M4 and a 911 don't know what they want and need to decide first. That might be test driving both, but I always found the head-to-head reviews to be a bit weird.
Same here.......at least from a "consider this one or that one" perspective. The 911 is useless for anything utilitarian.
Appreciate 3
chris7197273.00
solstice5456.50
      03-10-2021, 01:56 AM   #11
MelbourneFinn
First Lieutenant
MelbourneFinn's Avatar
Australia
256
Rep
390
Posts

Drives: 2021 G30 M550i
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Melbourne

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2021 BMW M550i  [9.00]
Kind of irrelevant comparison for us in down under - M4 is appr 50% of 911 price...
Appreciate 6
Vervain396.50
Sedan_Clan24809.50
GuyOh1064.00
AndrewC198910903.50
cfm56d7b5849.00
      03-10-2021, 02:45 AM   #12
Ghostriderf80
Banned
United Kingdom
840
Rep
1,271
Posts

Drives: Just a Porsche
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Netz

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason View Post
I still own a BMW product - a mini Kids X5. It's electric.

Yes Porsche is better, way better, even a base model is better than an M4.

What is funny is they compared an M2 to a Macan on laps LOL... Goes to show you. Also I got rid of my crappy M2 and traded for a Macan, believe me what an upgrade in handling, braking, comfort and pretty much everything. Real test was never looked back at the M2 and when I did I felt this.

My previous F80 M3 Comp was quick, looked ok, but left lots to be desired for. The Cayenne that replaced it, is better in every way to live with. Handling is different story though. It's an SUV, but I look back at it and love it. Even photographs better.

The 911 coming certainly will be magical in terms of comparison. My dilemma is really between a going hard GT3 or Turbo or GTS. First world problems, but once you go that route you will understand.

Still I love the interior of the new M4.
Appreciate 1
Sedan_Clan24809.50
      03-10-2021, 02:50 AM   #13
Spielkind79
New Member
Germany
87
Rep
26
Posts

Drives: G80 M3 Competition
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Berlin

iTrader: (0)

At least for me the M3 comp. will be our only car. Which means two kids in the back and stuff in the trunk. My main use case will be on the Autobahn and there a M3 will be faster than a 911.
Appreciate 2
      03-10-2021, 05:32 AM   #14
Davil
Brigadier General
Davil's Avatar
Australia
6334
Rep
3,027
Posts

Drives: M2 CS, 18 Vantage AMR, 00 WRX
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Australia

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80 View Post
Also I got rid of my crappy M2 and traded for a Macan, believe me what an upgrade in handling, braking, comfort and pretty much everything. Real test was never looked back at the M2 and when I did I felt this.

My previous F80 M3 Comp was quick, looked ok, but left lots to be desired for. The Cayenne that replaced it, is better in every way to live with. Handling is different story though. It's an SUV, but I look back at it and love it. Even photographs better.
How do I type the Twilight Zone theme again? Doo doo doo do. Something like that anyway.
Appreciate 0
      03-10-2021, 06:13 AM   #15
spuntyb
Brigadier General
spuntyb's Avatar
United_States
4052
Rep
4,976
Posts

Drives: 2019 F90 Competition
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

I had a 997.2 GTS all picked out a few years back to replace my 335, and then we got pregnant with our second, so I had to go for the F80. Was incredibly surprised at not just how good it was overall, but how good the DCT performed. It's no PDK, but it did an admirable job, and was super fun to play with.

Got my wife into a Macan GTS, which is sublime. I don't know that I believe Porsches are "BMWs for grown ups", as the common sentiment goes, but I will say they are a notch above in almost every regard, save for engine and drivetrain design and performance.

The G8x is I'm sure a fine alternative to a 911 - 911 4S, just as my F80 was, but everyone should at least get to try out a PDK or manual 911. Perfect Porsche balance is no myth. It feels incredible imho
__________________
<b>2023 M5C SRG|Aragon || 2018 Macan GTS</b>

2019 F90 Comp MBB|Black (sold)
2018 F80 ZCP TB|SS (sold)
2015 F30 335 AW|CR (sold)
2015 F31 MG|CR (sold)
2011 E90 JB|Oyster (sold)
Appreciate 4
Sedan_Clan24809.50
stein_325i25051.00
JTO245246.50
akhbhaat180.50
      03-10-2021, 06:32 AM   #16
Ghostriderf80
Banned
United Kingdom
840
Rep
1,271
Posts

Drives: Just a Porsche
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Netz

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Davil View Post
How do I type the Twilight Zone theme again? Doo doo doo do. Something like that anyway.
lol
Appreciate 0
      03-10-2021, 06:36 AM   #17
Lady Jane
Cailín gan eagla.
Lady Jane's Avatar
68872
Rep
979
Posts

Drives: 2024 X3 M40i and R1200RT bike.
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Atlantic Canada.

iTrader: (0)

For my money, the Porsche is the winner. It would be a different story if it was compared against the M5C.
Appreciate 0
      03-10-2021, 07:37 AM   #18
bm323
Captain
194
Rep
850
Posts

Drives: 12.2 E92 M3 ZCP; 12.7 C63
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Sg

iTrader: (0)

deleted
__________________
2013 F10 M5 FG, 12.7 E92 M3 ZCP sold

Last edited by bm323; 03-10-2021 at 07:57 AM..
Appreciate 0
      03-10-2021, 07:45 AM   #19
bm323
Captain
194
Rep
850
Posts

Drives: 12.2 E92 M3 ZCP; 12.7 C63
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Sg

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan View Post
Same here.......at least from a "consider this one or that one" perspective. The 911 is useless for anything utilitarian.
You can't surmise like that; it is plenty utilitarian for enthusiasts who do not need 2 full rear seats.
__________________
2013 F10 M5 FG, 12.7 E92 M3 ZCP sold
Appreciate 1
JTO245246.50
      03-10-2021, 08:40 AM   #20
GOLFFRR
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
GOLFFRR's Avatar
10711
Rep
27,529
Posts


Drives: GOLFFRR cart
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: we sell BMWs to "ALL" US states

iTrader: (4)

super cool!! im excited to start running through the various reviews!
__________________

BEFORE YOU BUY YOUR NEXT BMW, EMAIL OUR GUY KOTE FIRST!
Kote M Sales:Kotem@bmwofcamarillo.com Cell:805-368-9101
vipfinance@bmwofcamarillo.com for warranties!
Appreciate 0
      03-10-2021, 08:49 AM   #21
Scorp!on
Captain
Switzerland
1510
Rep
781
Posts

Drives: BMW M3 G80 MT BSM
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Zurich, Switzerland

iTrader: (0)

ok let me get this straight:

A base 911 has 125hp and 200NM less than the M4 comp and costs, at least here in switzerland, 20K more than the M4 Comp. Not to mention all the daily benefit the M4 has compared to the Porsche.

And people tend to the 911?

I'm confused.
Appreciate 3
russell21147.00
AlexFL7833.00
      03-10-2021, 09:34 AM   #22
russell21
Private
147
Rep
81
Posts

Drives: bmw 440i
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: florida

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason View Post
I still own a BMW product - a mini Kids X5. It's electric.

Yes Porsche is better, way better, even a base model is better than an M4.

What is funny is they compared an M2 to a Macan on laps LOL... Goes to show you. Also I got rid of my crappy M2 and traded for a Macan, believe me what an upgrade in handling, braking, comfort and pretty much everything. Real test was never looked back at the M2 and when I did I felt this.

My previous F80 M3 Comp was quick, looked ok, but left lots to be desired for. The Cayenne that replaced it, is better in every way to live with. Handling is different story though. It's an SUV, but I look back at it and love it. Even photographs better.

The 911 coming certainly will be magical in terms of comparison. My dilemma is really between a going hard GT3 or Turbo or GTS. First world problems, but once you go that route you will understand.

Still I love the interior of the new M4.
I've driven a cayenne several times and it doesn't compare to my wife's x5
Appreciate 1
Puuhapete143.50
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:25 AM.




g80
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST