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      12-24-2020, 08:23 AM   #1
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BMW UK - The BMW M3 & M4 Competition insights from product manager

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I thought that this was a good video by BMW UK with a few insights about the engineering of both the M3 and M4.

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Thanks for sharing!

I wonder what he means when he says it's a "much much quicker car".

There's quicker
Then much quicker
And then much much quicker

I hope the real tests prove that on the road & the track.
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You just know BMW AG explicitly instructed both of them not discuss the front of the cars under any circumstances.
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Now that it's on the front page...release the Kraken!

(And by Kraken I mean people threatening to move to Porsche).
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Nice to see them moving on the track and hear them instead of these still photo shots.
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You go from this by Biermann, an actual Motorsport engineer, to that meandering drivel above.

Hair plug Flasch smh a sign of the times.
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Now that it's on the front page...release the Kraken!

(And by Kraken I mean people threatening to move to Porsche).
Folks threaten all the time. I'd be willing to bet it's a promise this time around.
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You go from this by Biermann, an actual Motorsport engineer, to that meandering drivel above.

Hair plug Flasch smh a sign of the times.
Well, I think the one thing we can all agree on is that male pattern baldness is the greatest threat the world is currently facing.
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I wonder what he means when he says it's a "much much quicker car".

There's quicker
Then much quicker
And then much much quicker
Yeah and then he says "Importantly though, its still sounds amazing !" and then you hear an electric lawn-edging noise.
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I'm looking forward to driving the G8X Ms!
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I'm looking forward to driving the G8X Ms!
You and me (and judging by the comments lately, ONLY you and me) both.
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Got an email from my local dealer saying they will have the HEA cars next month as they are in transit right now. So at least we'll be able to see the cars and judge them in person soon enough.
Still waiting on reviews...
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You go from this by Biermann, an actual Motorsport engineer, to that meandering drivel above.

Hair plug Flasch smh a sign of the times.
For real. This is what an M car should be about.

They like to downplay this as it's happened before and people got over it.
But they fail to realize the context and magnitude of prior complaints compare to this current one.

No time in BMW M history has the change in core style AND philosophy been this severe and unwanted.

Judging by who they're marketing this to, sales figures will only paint a small picture of what they've done.
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You and me (and judging by the comments lately, ONLY you and me) both.
We live in a world where prospective M buyers seem to be mostly interested in aesthetics.

They wouldn't want someone to think their car is ugly at the Cars and Coffee where they're flexing their fixed back seats, PSC2 tires on BBS FI wheels and decals alluding to 'track toy', tow hooks and other stupidities.

I hope these people move to Porsche, that is the natural habitat of hard parkers and 'look at the color of my seatbelts' people
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Yeah and then he says "Importantly though, its still sounds amazing !" and then you hear an electric lawn-edging noise.
Maybe that was the landscaping crew working in the background

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You and me (and judging by the comments lately, ONLY you and me) both.
That makes us three
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You go from this by Biermann, an actual Motorsport engineer, to that meandering drivel above.

Hair plug Flasch smh a sign of the times.
In 2014, this video is what made me stop debating the purchase of my M4 and pull the trigger. There were so many engineering changes to the car like the rigid subframes and the carbon fiber drive shaft that nobody would ever see, but made the car what it was, a true M car.

Now we get hokey videos of M town, hipsters, and “it is fast.”

It is not my M anymore.
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You go from this by Biermann, an actual Motorsport engineer, to that meandering drivel above.

Hair plug Flasch smh a sign of the times.
In 2014, this video is what made me stop debating the purchase of my M4 and pull the trigger. There were so many engineering changes to the car like the rigid subframes and the carbon fiber drive shaft that nobody would ever see, but made the car what it was, a true M car.

Now we get hokey videos of M town, hipsters, and "it is fast."

It is not my M anymore.
#notmyM

Sorry couldn't resist
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Well, I think the one thing we can all agree on is that male pattern baldness is the greatest threat the world is currently facing.
sad but factual
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Thanks for sharing!

I wonder what he means when he says it's a "much much quicker car".

There's quicker
Then much quicker
And then much much quicker

I hope the real tests prove that on the road & the track.
Well just a guess but when last M3 was 3.9-4.0 0-60
and new X3M does 3.3

guessing this will be right about 3.0 and shaving 25% off 0-60 time for any 2020s car, that's amazing.
and the fact that the entry price will be in the low $70K range for a 0-60 3 second car is also amazing! numbers will probably be on par with the new corvette for similar prices when fully optioned, except M3 is 10X more practical. A small nose job and its a beautiful car.
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sad but factual
I buy my M's to help my self confidence in overcoming it
You and me, we win the internet for the day.
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Bmw finally putting out normal marketing vids.
Now for the technical vids. I would like to see how this chassis has been improved over the f8x.
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In 2014, this video is what made me stop debating the purchase of my M4 and pull the trigger. There were so many engineering changes to the car like the rigid subframes and the carbon fiber drive shaft that nobody would ever see, but made the car what it was, a true M car.

Now we get hokey videos of M town, hipsters, and “it is fast.”

It is not my M anymore.
I would definitely love if BMW M division created nice technical videos showcasing the great little technical things that make the G8x better than the previous generation or even competitors, as opposed to their current questionable marketing campaign... But saying that you'll make a decision to buy or not to buy the G8x based on the content published by BMW is poor/emotional decision making in my opinion.

I'd much rather:

(1) wait to hear independent reviewers say things like "the G8x drives better than the F8x despite its additional weight", "is faster in straight line and on the track/twisties", "steering feel & feedback is improved", "ZF8 is as good or almost as good as the DCT", "offers the driving experience of a proper M car", etc.

(2) drive it myself and see how it fits my specific expectations and needs.

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Well just a guess but when last M3 was 3.9-4.0 0-60
and new X3M does 3.3

guessing this will be right about 3.0 and shaving 25% off 0-60 time for any 2020s car, that's amazing.
and the fact that the entry price will be in the low $70K range for a 0-60 3 second car is also amazing! numbers will probably be on par with the new corvette for similar prices when fully optioned, except M3 is 10X more practical. A small nose job and its a beautiful car.
We all know that the M xDrive version will be much faster than the F8x in a straight line and even the RWD version will probably also be faster in a straight line. What we need to know is how it performs once you hit the first turn. In the video when he was saying "much much faster" the cars where being filmed on a track so I hope that translates to better track performance & times
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