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      10-03-2020, 12:05 PM   #1
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Similar price for base and Competition models

Even when fully loaded (excluding Driving Assistance Professional which is not available on the base model), the price difference is still only $1,800!

At first I was shocked by this, but then I considered that they are essentially the same car with differences in power and torque. Aesthetics and suspension are the same. So, if you don't care about the manual transmission, it’s a no brainer to go with the Competition model. The upcharge of $1,800 for extra 30HP and 74TQ is incredible. I don’t think you can find that much gain elsewhere for that price.

I plan to go with the manual and thought I would be getting a bigger break on price. How does the community feel about this minimal price difference between the two?
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The break is really on the competition model. The MT car seems fairly priced while the comp. car is a deal.
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Interesting. In my country there is a 7K difference between the 2 versions (the base equipment looking identical). Options cost seem also identical except the M race track pack which is cheaper on the Competition.
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So there is essentially no discount for the manual transmission.
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So there is essentially no discount for the manual transmission.
Disappointing, right? As someone stated above, the deal is on the Comp.
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So there is essentially no discount for the manual transmission.
I could be wrong but I think it’s years ago BMW gave a break on an MT vs AT. M-DCT is understandably another story due to the relative cost and limited production of those units.
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I could be wrong but I think it’s years ago BMW gave a break on an MT vs AT. M-DCT is understandably another story due to the relative cost and limited production of those units.
Manual has always been a discount for both Porsche and BMW. No matter what the automatic transmission choice was SMG, Tiptronic, PDK, DCT. Porsche got rid of the discount this year, but gives you some other things for free, so it still gets you some value. BMW seemingly just got rid of it, with no other added value.

It was always nice to buy for about 3k less.
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Manual has always been a discount for both Porsche and BMW. No matter what the automatic transmission choice was SMG, Tiptronic, PDK, DCT. Porsche got rid of the discount this year, but gives you some other things for free, so it still gets you some value. BMW seemingly just got rid of it, with no other added value.

It was always nice to buy for about 3k less.
Interesting, how much was the MT discount on the F3X?

Edit: I checked the F32 price guide over in that forum. AT is standard and MT a no cost option...
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I could be wrong but I think it’s years ago BMW gave a break on an MT vs AT. M-DCT is understandably another story due to the relative cost and limited production of those units.
The M2C, F82 M4 (and F80 M3) DCT automatic option is $2900 since the cars come standard with a manual transmission -- so it's not years ago but currently still the case.

I realize I'm well above the median age of most here, but "it doesn't seem like that long ago" that *all* BMWs, right up through the 7-series, came standard with a manual transmission (with the slushbox automatics an extra cost option). BMW even played that up in their advertising here in the USA. The last 7-series model year that came stock with a manual transmission was the 1985 E23 735i. The final two model years of the E23 weren't available with the manual. I owned a 1988 E32 735i 5-speed manual for many years (the 1988-1990 model years of the E32 were available with a manual), and it was a great car. Ordered from the factory with a 5MT and LSD (back when an LSD was an option on all BMWs too).
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The starting prices for the base and Competition M3/M4 as well as the difference in standard equipment were covered in the introductory press material.

The only difference between base and Competition is that the base has:

- 6MT
- Lower output engine to accommodate the 6MT
- Body color mirrors/spoiler and chrome exhaust tips (with the Competition model’s gloss black parts available at no charge)
- 18”/19” wheels (with all of the same 19”/20” styles as the Competition model available for a nominal price)

I think they should have just dumped the 18”/19” wheels and brought the starting price up on the base model, but they were clearly looking to squeeze it in under $70K MSRP.
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The M2C, F82 M4 (and F80 M3) DCT automatic option is $2900 since the cars come standard with a manual transmission -- so it's not years ago but currently still the case.
If you read my comment you can see that we are in agreement.
AT has not been an upcharge for years while M-DCT always has.

I.e. the G8X is just following a now well established practice of no discount on MT vs. ZF AT.
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The M2C, F82 M4 (and F80 M3) DCT automatic option is $2900 since the cars come standard with a manual transmission -- so it's not years ago but currently still the case.
It is not the transmission that is driving the price delta. It is the upgraded motor and larger wheels.
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It is not the transmission that is driving the price delta. It is the upgraded motor and larger wheels.
There is no upgraded motor, unless you count the different software calibration.
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There is no upgraded motor, unless you count the different software calibration.
BMW would disagree with you. If you check the press release the motor in the base and the comp have different designations.
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BMW would disagree with you. If you check the press release the motor in the base and the comp have different designations.
Do you honestly believe BMW would swap out parts and go through more R&D and quality testing?

Or do you think they would just de-tune it slightly to get numbers that the MT could handle?

I highly doubt they paid for more testing.
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Do you honestly believe BMW would swap out parts and go through more R&D and quality testing?

Or do you think they would just de-tune it slightly to get numbers that the MT could handle?

I highly doubt they paid for more testing.
BMW typically doesn't adjust designation just for a tune but we won't know for sure until technical documentation with component part numbers is released.

Remember we need think more broadly, the base motor on the G80 is likely the s58 variant for the next gen M2. So investment in an alternative variant would have more payback than just the 6MT g8x, it will probably power both manual and auto M2
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BMW typically doesn't adjust designation just for a tune but we won't know for sure until technical documentation with component part numbers is released.

Remember we need think more broadly, the base motor on the G80 is likely the s58 variant for the next gen M2. So investment in an alternative variant would have more payback than just the 6MT g8x, it will probably power both manual and auto M2
Also, I wonder if the competition version could be prepared for the strongly hinted MHEV V2 addition in the near future and the base version might not be.
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BMW typically doesn't adjust designation just for a tune but we won't know for sure until technical documentation with component part numbers is released.

Remember we need think more broadly, the base motor on the G80 is likely the s58 variant for the next gen M2. So investment in an alternative variant would have more payback than just the 6MT g8x, it will probably power both manual and auto M2
Pretty sure that the 444 hp competition vs the 420 (?) F80 base is a tune only. No changes to internals.
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BMW typically doesn't adjust designation just for a tune but we won't know for sure until technical documentation with component part numbers is released.

Remember we need think more broadly, the base motor on the G80 is likely the s58 variant for the next gen M2. So investment in an alternative variant would have more payback than just the 6MT g8x, it will probably power both manual and auto M2
Pretty sure that the 444 hp competition vs the 420 (?) F80 base is a tune only. No changes to internals.
I believe that is accurate for the previous gen, it was a tune on the same motor variant.

However for the G80:
base variant S58B30O0
Comp variant S58B30T0

Those different designations almost certainly mean more than just a tune. How much is different we won't really know till more technical details come out (or an insider fills us in)

I will add another point to show just how much has to be different for an engine designation to change, the X3m features the T0 in both the base and comp models despite having less torque (different tune) and a different intake setup than the m3s.

This all leads me to believe there are some notable differences between g8x comp and base motors
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