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      09-10-2021, 02:33 PM   #1
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Spacer Talk - Factory Wheel Staggering/What's needed front vs. back for flush etc.

Hey guys,

Looking into spaces for my G80....watched a ton of spacer/G80 vids, and lots of folks going different directions...both because of preference and because of tires we received (Michelins/Pirelli).

All that to say I have a couple questions:

Has anyone tried a 10mm all around set up? I have the Michelins, and I like the idea of keeping the stock staggered-ness by making the same spacer-adjustment at all four corners...but I know a lot of you are going larger spacers in the front vs rear (e.g. 15mm front/12mm rear)....then some of you are going larger back than front, like "what's your forte," in this video is going 12mm front/15 mm back:



Lastly, Turner Motorsport has two "Complete Flush Kits," which are the same spacers, just one is ECS and other is Turner Branded...and those are 12.5mm Front/15mm Back:

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-1...ront-and-rear/

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3...-g80g82-m3-m4/


I'm really struggling here in figuring out what to get..I don't like the idea of larger spacers in the front than the back, as that would seem to remove factory staggering on the wheels....doing 10mm or 12mm at all corners sounds good, as it pushes all tires out equally, thus keeping that factory staggering....but I spoke with someone at Turner, and they said they tested many spacers and "determined 12.5mm front and 15mm back was the best set up for equal flushness at all four corners," though I forgot to ask with what tires.

Again, I have Michelins, and I'm leaning towards 10mm or 12mm at all four corners to keep factory staggering of the wheels while gaining more flushness, but thought it best to run all this by everyone and just get your thoughts on pros/cons with all these options to see if really there is a preferred way to go on the G80. I don't know if 10m or 12mm is enough at all corners or not, and I don't know what is really necessary to get flushness on front vs back.

I hope my concerns and questions make sense here...but happy to clarify if needed on anything.

Thanks in advance.
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You're over thinking this. It isn't going to mess up the ride dynamics and we are literally talking about millimeters here. I had 15/12 on my m3 and am about to step up to an 18mm spacer in the front. To get your wheels to look flush, I'd recommend a 15/12 or a 12/10 for less aggressive fitment.
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You're over thinking this. It isn't going to mess up the ride dynamics and we are literally talking about millimeters here. I had 15/12 on my m3 and am about to step up to an 18mm spacer in the front. To get your wheels to look flush, I'd recommend a 15/12 or a 12/10 for less aggressive fitment.
Believe me I know this...but good and better to confirm it, which you did...thinking of going 12/12 and if I need more, buy more. They aren't all that expensive anyways.

Did you go with longer lugs or did you go bolts?

Thanks for the response; appreciated.
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I went with the longer lug bolts. The future classic spacer kit I bought actually came with them. I now have 12mm, 15mm and 18mm and they all came with the appropriate length lug bolts. I will probably switch to studs later on.
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I went with the longer lug bolts. The future classic spacer kit I bought actually came with them. I now have 12mm, 15mm and 18mm and they all came with the appropriate length lug bolts. I will probably switch to studs later on.
Sounds right...I'm doing the same..I went with the turner kit..tired of spending time thinking about this...12.5mm and 15mm...they are meant to be 12.5 Front and 15mm back, but I'll try them both front/back and see how it looks/what I prefer.

Again, appreciate your comment. Just needed the push I guess.
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I have an M4 G82 with Michelin’s and the 19/20 wheels.
Currently running 15F and 13R from BMS.
The setup looks good but maybe poking out a little much for my taste in the back from certain angles.
I ordered a pair of 10mm and will try 13F and 10R next.
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Sounds right...I'm doing the same..I went with the turner kit..tired of spending time thinking about this...12.5mm and 15mm...they are meant to be 12.5 Front and 15mm back, but I'll try them both front/back and see how it looks/what I prefer.

Again, appreciate your comment. Just needed the push I guess.
You definitely will want to run the larger spacers in the front. Even with 15/12 I still notice the rear more flush than the front.
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I run 10 mm all around. My front will need 12 mm for a more flush look. I am satisfied with the rear with 10 mm.
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I bought FC 15f/12r per IND's recommendation.. no car yet but I think this will be perfect for the look I'm going for.
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Thanks all! Since I ordered the turner kit, and has 12.5mm and 15mm spacers, sounds like I should put the 15's in front vs back like the kit says too….good to know and I will certainly try both ways. Just looking at the rear, they obviously need less "correction" than the front but we'll see. I don't think I've seen anyone try this turner kit so I'll most definitely share my experience after final setup. Including if I go with changes in spacers and order more if I don't like either way with the two sizes that come with the kit
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Definitely put the bigger ones in the front. I have 15's up Front and thinking I could have gone for 18's. The smaller 19' wheel really gets lost up front where as a 10mm spacer fills out the rear quite nicely. You still have the staggered look as the rear wheel is wider, bigger in diameter and concave.
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Couple more questions, all:

As I said, I ordered this kit: https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-1...ront-and-rear/

I believe they are steel….though I can't confirm via the product description…but it does say the lug nuts are steel, so I think the spacers are too.

Now I'm looking at a stud conversion kit…likely this one: https://ind-distribution.com/product...30859058970693

Question one is, does anyone know if that stud kit and my spacers ordered are ok together? I believe they are both steel and metal-wise, but if anyone can confirm favor me, I'd much bette about order this stud kit.

Second question is, is it worth getting this lug kit for the studs? : https://ind-distribution.com/product...19000869879877

Cosmetically speaking, I'm hoping for improvement, but not sure if this type of kit is what I should be looking at or if there are other, stud-lug kits that are better for appearances? Additionally, this lug kit appears to only come as a pack of 16, and I think I would need 20, right?

Really appreciate it, all!
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I can’t see the spacer material specified but every other manufacturer makes them from aluminum alloy. Steel would be really heavy. Just my 2c Canadian.
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ok, potentially dumb question here...
Why put the thicker spacers up front? Is it for maintaining the staggered look while pushing the wheels out a bit? If you're looking for a "flush with the fenders" look it appears that 12/15 is the way to go.

Would appreciate the insight here.
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ok, potentially dumb question here...
Why put the thicker spacers up front? Is it for maintaining the staggered look while pushing the wheels out a bit? If you're looking for a "flush with the fenders" look it appears that 12/15 is the way to go.

Would appreciate the insight here.
Because for whatever reason the front wheels on the G8x are located deeper in the wheel well.
So to make them look more flush with the fenders they require a slightly thicker spacer compared to the rear.

IND made these great photos to illustrate:
https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1808816
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Because for whatever reason the front wheels on the G8x are located deeper in the wheel well.
So to make them look more flush with the fenders they require a slightly thicker spacer compared to the rear.

IND made these great photos to illustrate:
https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1808816
Thanks for this. I've seen the illustration and, TBH, it's really hard for me to tell the slight difference in the photos. Adding to my confusion is the fact that ECS and Turner sell "flush kits" which are 12.5/15 as others have mentioned. I picked up the FC 12 & 15 sets but my car isn't here yet so I'm not sure what tires are on it.
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ok, potentially dumb question here...
Why put the thicker spacers up front? Is it for maintaining the staggered look while pushing the wheels out a bit? If you're looking for a "flush with the fenders" look it appears that 12/15 is the way to go.

Would appreciate the insight here.
Because for whatever reason the front wheels on the G8x are located deeper in the wheel well.
So to make them look more flush with the fenders they require a slightly thicker spacer compared to the rear.

IND made these great photos to illustrate:
https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1808816
I would have just got their 15 and 12 spacers but they were/are out of stock, that's why I went with the ECS kit from Turner…I really want to order the stud kit I linked above from IND but I'm concerned about mixing metals since I can't tell when the ECS spacers are made out of…

Anyone that can help me with this I would be grateful..
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Thanks for this. I've seen the illustration and, TBH, it's really hard for me to tell the slight difference in the photos. Adding to my confusion is the fact that ECS and Turner sell "flush kits" which are 12.5/15 as others have mentioned. I picked up the FC 12 & 15 sets but my car isn't here yet so I'm not sure what tires are on it.
Agreed it’s best to see in person. The flush look is also dependent on personal taste. I keep looking at my car and it looks fine with 15/13 I ordered a 10mm pair just to see how it looks.
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I have an M4 G82 with Michelin’s and the 19/20 wheels.
Currently running 15F and 13R from BMS.
The setup looks good but maybe poking out a little much for my taste in the back from certain angles.
I ordered a pair of 10mm and will try 13F and 10R next.
Any pictures of the rear with 13MM?
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I have an M4 G82 with Michelin's and the 19/20 wheels.
Currently running 15F and 13R from BMS.
The setup looks good but maybe poking out a little much for my taste in the back from certain angles.
I ordered a pair of 10mm and will try 13F and 10R next.
Any pictures of the rear with 13MM?
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@voyagergab nice man. I have 13sq on order, should get them by Friday
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I have an M4 G82 with Michelin's and the 19/20 wheels.
Currently running 15F and 13R from BMS.
The setup looks good but maybe poking out a little much for my taste in the back from certain angles.
I ordered a pair of 10mm and will try 13F and 10R next.
Any pictures of the rear with 13MM?
Here are some pics
Thanks for these as well……I think the ECS 12.5 and 15 will be perfect. I'll share pics here as well before/after.
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