Who is upgrading these crappy speakers?

MarineRaider · 07-31-2021, 04:46 PM

I KNOW I am. When I get back from vacation the front stage, center channel and subwoofer are getting replaced.

These speakers are just horrible.

kwilliams312 · 08-01-2021, 01:25 AM

Audiotec fischer has the Match10 with HK harness coming out very soon in the US (Mine is expected to arrive in 2 weeks). This will be a complete DSP/Amp for all the speakers and outputs to drive subwoofers.

Once mine arrives, I will have Arc Audio RS Tweeters and 4" mid-bass ready to go in all the doors and center channel, along with AD W800NEO 8" midbass drivers for the floor subs.

2 Arc audio A12 subs in the trunk powered off a 1100.1 amp itching to go as well.

Car will be Sound Quality comp ready by end of July. I'll follow up with a build log and score progression soon.

DoubleDave · 08-01-2021, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwilliams312

Audiotec fischer has the Match10 with HK harness coming out very soon in the US (Mine is expected to arrive in 2 weeks). This will be a complete DSP/Amp for all the speakers and outputs to drive subwoofers.

Once mine arrives, I will have Arc Audio RS Tweeters and 4" mid-bass ready to go in all the doors and center channel, along with AD W800NEO 8" midbass drivers for the floor subs.

2 Arc audio A12 subs in the trunk powered off a 1100.1 amp itching to go as well.

Car will be Sound Quality comp ready by end of July. I'll follow up with a build log and score progression soon.

Looking forward to seeing what you do here and thanks in advance for the build log.

I’m about a month out from getting my car, so I haven’t even listened to the stock sounds system yet.

The OEMs seem to be paying less and less attention to sound quality with the exception of some of the higher end upgrades, which is disappointing but I guess it gives us something to tinker with later.

modat · 08-01-2021, 07:47 AM

Maybe I don't have a trained ear but I think the speakers sound great

Murf · 08-01-2021, 08:41 AM

The HK Match is a great product but I hate that you basically have to tune it yourself since they don't provide updated DSP profiles for newer cars. For those of us that like plug and play it's kind of a dealbreaker.

spridge · 08-01-2021, 09:50 AM

At the risk of sounding foolish, have any of you tried the Bavsound packages on a previous BMW? Their claims are compelling, and I love the idea of directly swapping amps and speakers with plug and play improvements. Any thoughts on going that route?

Murf · 08-01-2021, 11:29 AM

Before giving up on the stock HK speakers please give the B&W dsp's a try if you have Bimmercode. Detailed here in this thread.

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...3#post27870293

kwilliams312 · 08-01-2021, 12:19 PM

I tried the B&W (not B&O) bimmercode, it's a DSP change, but without the actual speaker upgrade it's only a mild change. I can't say it's better, but it's different.

I had the car scored with the stock system a few weeks back and it was given a ~71.3 (out of 100), with the best cars in CA (and the US) in the mid 80s. That's not terrible, many stock cars are in the 60s for scores.

My current competition car scores in the low to mid 80s with the Helix DSP (same unit in the Match) and Arc Audio amps.

As was previously said, the HK Match upgrade won't do much without a good tune. Bavsound and the other BMW specific companies basically sell the Match system rebranded along with a tune and some upgraded speakers. I've heard they'll be available by end of year.

Once I get mine in, I'll be happy to share some basic tunes. If you in the Northern California area DM me and I'll be happy to show you how to tune with the Arc PS8 or Match/Helix system.

Murf · 08-01-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kwilliams312

I tried the B&W (not B&O) bimmercode, it's a DSP change, but without the actual speaker upgrade it's only a mild change. I can't say it's better, but it's different.

B&W not B&O is correct, I fixed my comment.

I will agree that yes it's not a massive change but the B&W dsp's definitely have less of that surround "echo" than the L7 stuff. Worth a try if that annoys you.

snareman · 08-01-2021, 02:22 PM

I'd obviously have prefered they gave us the option for the B&W upgrade they have in the 8's. I'd be curious to know what people end up paying to upgrade the speakers in the end.

recentrisk2 · 08-04-2021, 08:07 AM

Is bavsound coming out with an upgrade package for the G80 yet?

Kansr · 08-04-2021, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwilliams312

Audiotec fischer has the Match10 with HK harness coming out very soon in the US (Mine is expected to arrive in 2 weeks). This will be a complete DSP/Amp for all the speakers and outputs to drive subwoofers.

Once mine arrives, I will have Arc Audio RS Tweeters and 4" mid-bass ready to go in all the doors and center channel, along with AD W800NEO 8" midbass drivers for the floor subs.

2 Arc audio A12 subs in the trunk powered off a 1100.1 amp itching to go as well.

Car will be Sound Quality comp ready by end of July. I'll follow up with a build log and score progression soon.

Interested in seeing the final product… the system itself is so poor, I’m coming from a Infiniti Q60 with bose surround and the change was so drastic.

I almost miss my old car…(not that much) but I definitely want to do some upgrades.

Considering adding a sub in the trunk.

Been doing a lot of research and a lot of people swear on the earthquakes for the floor.

Keep us updated!

rgrovr · 08-04-2021, 10:14 AM

Any thoughts if the BimmerTech AlphaOne speaker upgrade for the G20 will also fit the G8x?

snareman · 08-04-2021, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwilliams312

Audiotec fischer has the Match10 with HK harness coming out very soon in the US (Mine is expected to arrive in 2 weeks). This will be a complete DSP/Amp for all the speakers and outputs to drive subwoofers.

Once mine arrives, I will have Arc Audio RS Tweeters and 4" mid-bass ready to go in all the doors and center channel, along with AD W800NEO 8" midbass drivers for the floor subs.

2 Arc audio A12 subs in the trunk powered off a 1100.1 amp itching to go as well.

Car will be Sound Quality comp ready by end of July. I'll follow up with a build log and score progression soon.

What do you think that will cost?

recentrisk2 · 08-04-2021, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgrovr

Any thoughts if the BimmerTech AlphaOne speaker upgrade for the G20 will also fit the G8x?

I contacted BimmerTech today... "So the only option is the speakers, all 3 configurations are available for your vehicle. Of course, we recommend the Studio Sound option to get the best sound and it comes with all the speakers"

So it looks like it will work. Has anyone heard these speakers?

SickGTR · 08-05-2021, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by spridge

At the risk of sounding foolish, have any of you tried the Bavsound packages on a previous BMW? Their claims are compelling, and I love the idea of directly swapping amps and speakers with plug and play improvements. Any thoughts on going that route?

I have it in my F82 and was def an upgrade!!

snareman · 08-05-2021, 02:04 PM

Looks like Bavsound doesn't have stuff yet for the g8x. Have you heard one they might have it?

moproblems · 08-05-2021, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by snareman

Looks like Bavsound doesn't have stuff yet for the g8x. Have you heard one they might have it?

They have stuff for G20 which should be the same but when I messaged them about it via FB Messenger they said it would be late fall before they got a car in to verify fitment.

If I had to guess, it's the same at least for m3.

kwilliams312 · 08-10-2021, 11:45 PM

took the car with the B&W code change to the most recent MECA SQ competition. With the "studio (flattest sound)" and surround all the way up. The car scored a 69.75. Not great. Last month with 3 judges it scored a 71.25 on OEM settings.

So objectively judge, the B&W seems to score worse in tonality and staging.

The Match UP10 should be here in a week or so, I'll be doing a quick install with sub and having it judged at the MECA CA state finals in Modesto, CA; I'll report back scores.

With proper EQ and time alignment I could see these speakers doing a reasonable job and pushing into the mid 70s score.

The top competitors in the US are seeing scores around 83-86, my normal competition car is in the low 80s.

Realw5 · 08-12-2021, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwilliams312

took the car with the B&W code change to the most recent MECA SQ competition. With the "studio (flattest sound)" and surround all the way up. The car scored a 69.75. Not great. Last month with 3 judges it scored a 71.25 on OEM settings.

So objectively judge, the B&W seems to score worse in tonality and staging.

The Match UP10 should be here in a week or so, I'll be doing a quick install with sub and having it judged at the MECA CA state finals in Modesto, CA; I'll report back scores.

With proper EQ and time alignment I could see these speakers doing a reasonable job and pushing into the mid 70s score.

The top competitors in the US are seeing scores around 83-86, my normal competition car is in the low 80s.

Where did you order the Match UP10 from?

Cas29 · 08-12-2021, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by modat

Maybe I don't have a trained ear but I think the speakers sound great

same here, lol.

kwilliams312 · 08-13-2021, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realw5

Where did you order the Match UP10 from?

Any MSC-America dealer can order them: https://www.msc-america.com/dealer-locator/

You'll need the Match UP10 and the BMW harness PP-BMW-1-9ram-hk to make it work.

(https://www.audiotec-fischer.de/en/m...-bmw-1-9ram-hk)

Retail for the DSP/Amp should be around ~1300, and the harness is ~200.

Speakers will vary wildly depending on brand/size/installation.

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kwilliams312 Enlisted Member 48 Rep 36 Posts Drives: 2021 G80 M3 Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: Dublin, CA iTrader: (0)	I tried the B&W (not B&O) bimmercode, it's a DSP change, but without the actual speaker upgrade it's only a mild change. I can't say it's better, but it's different. I had the car scored with the stock system a few weeks back and it was given a ~71.3 (out of 100), with the best cars in CA (and the US) in the mid 80s. That's not terrible, many stock cars are in the 60s for scores. My current competition car scores in the low to mid 80s with the Helix DSP (same unit in the Match) and Arc Audio amps. As was previously said, the HK Match upgrade won't do much without a good tune. Bavsound and the other BMW specific companies basically sell the Match system rebranded along with a tune and some upgraded speakers. I've heard they'll be available by end of year. Once I get mine in, I'll be happy to share some basic tunes. If you in the Northern California area DM me and I'll be happy to show you how to tune with the Arc PS8 or Match/Helix system.
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kwilliams312 Enlisted Member 48 Rep 36 Posts Drives: 2021 G80 M3 Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: Dublin, CA iTrader: (0)	took the car with the B&W code change to the most recent MECA SQ competition. With the "studio (flattest sound)" and surround all the way up. The car scored a 69.75. Not great. Last month with 3 judges it scored a 71.25 on OEM settings. So objectively judge, the B&W seems to score worse in tonality and staging. The Match UP10 should be here in a week or so, I'll be doing a quick install with sub and having it judged at the MECA CA state finals in Modesto, CA; I'll report back scores. With proper EQ and time alignment I could see these speakers doing a reasonable job and pushing into the mid 70s score. The top competitors in the US are seeing scores around 83-86, my normal competition car is in the low 80s.
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