[///MeraldCity_G82]

Just threw on my MSS springs last Friday and want to give a short review and observations on installation.

The install was pretty straight forward and easy. You can follow the instructions that Evolve used here.

The only difference I did was I dismounted the top hat from the engine bay and took off the top mount without using a jack to lower the front strut. The spring was not under much tension and I was able to get it off with an impact without the top and spring flying out. The only difficult part was removing the bolt that holds the lower arm to the subframe in the rear. You need to play with the arm height in order to get the bolt in and out easily. Rears should take 30 minutes tops. Fronts should take an hour or so, so if a shop quotes you over $500, they are ripping you off or your market is super inflated like it is in Seattle.

Ride: I only have a 100 miles but so far the ride is very compliant. I would have to say in eco mode with the MSS springs, it feels like the dampening level between eco and sport stock. So basically half a level above each mode stock. The drop took away some of the body roll and there is no excessive bounce on the roads that I normally experience with other lowered cars that I had in the past. I need to take the car to the track after my break in service to give a more detailed review on performance, but the ride quality is very comfortable.

Aesthetics: The only knock I have so far is I was only able to achieve a 15mm drop up front(two finger gap) compared to the advertised 32mm. I have them on the lowest setting up front. I hope they "settle" 15 more mm but not too confident. They say they settle up to 2000 miles? LOL we'll see...As for the rears I left a 5mm gap from the lowest setting and it yielded a 25mm drop(max 30mm on rear) so that is pretty accurate.

If you are looking for aesthetics, save money and get springs(H&R, AST etc) I feel like the MSS springs will perform very well on the track. Only concern I have is if the springs don't settle 15mm more, so I will wait a bit to give final judgement. I hate when companies don't deliver on what they advertise.

Evolve was a great company to deal with. They were the first to get the springs and the shipping was super quick, quicker that getting stuff from the east coast lol.

[barryc365]

Rears looks perfect. I don't think the front is helped by the lower wheel size. If it was 20' like the back it'd fill it out better.

I'm sure the front will settle a bit more.

I see you have PZero's and spacers…I have this MSS kit arriving next week and have the PZero's too. Did the rubbing get any worse with the MSS kit?

[Vic55]

Thanks for the post and pics. I agree that the rear did the trick but the front, to your disdain, is just not right.

I hope it settles but in my history of lowering cars (over 40) I dont think Ive ever seen a gap that much adjusted via driving.

[///MeraldCity_G82]

Originally Posted by barryc365

Rears looks perfect. I don't think the front is helped by the lower wheel size. If it was 20' like the back it'd fill it out better.

I'm sure the front will settle a bit more.

I see you have PZero's and spacers…I have this MSS kit arriving next week and have the PZero's too. Did the rubbing get any worse with the MSS kit?

I had 12mm up front and 10 rears. The rubbing did get a little worse with the 15mm drop. I moved the 10mm up front and 12mm in the rears and there is not as much rubbing as it had before. Only if I reverse and turn fast.

[///MeraldCity_G82]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Thanks for the post and pics. I agree that the rear did the trick but the front, to your disdain, is just not right.

I hope it settles but in my history of lowering cars (over 40) I dont think Ive ever seen a gap that much adjusted via driving.

I agree, 15mm to settle is a lot... most springs only settle down 2-5mm more. Evolve's car looks like it got the 30mm drop so would love for them to chime in. Then again they had a developmental kit, so hopefully the springs used was the same.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by BSM_G808

I agree, 15mm to settle is a lot... most springs only settle down 2-5mm more. Evolve's car looks like it got the 30mm drop so would love for them to chime in. Then again they had a developmental kit, so hopefully the springs used was the same.

Thats a great point, development vs production.

I remember on my 2018 F90 H&R stated their M5 specific springs would drop the car 1.2 front and rear but when it was done, the rear only dropped about .4 inches and never really adjusted further.

After other complaints, they adjusted their website to reflect the .4 rear vs the 1.2 and cited production vs pre production.

[///MeraldCity_G82]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Thats a great point, development vs production.

I remember on my 2018 F90 H&R stated their M5 specific springs would drop the car 1.2 front and rear but when it was done, the rear only dropped about .4 inches and never really adjusted further.

After other complaints, they adjusted their website to reflect the .4 rear vs the 1.2 and cited production vs pre production.

I did read a concerning thread on vwvortex about the kit on the MK7 Golf R. Same situation, supposed to have a 30mm drop, but yielded 15mm up front. They then came out with two more versions of the springs to correct that, so if anyone is thinking about getting these for aesthetics, wait a bit to see if mine settle up front. If you are looking for a more aggressive drop, I can't recommend these at the moment.

If I spent money on labor, I would be very annoyed right now. Only paid for the cost to rent out a lift at $47 an hour.

[barryc365]

This is the drop on the MSS Instagram page…

I wish it was lower. My kit arrives next week.

The H&R spring kit seems to be a bit lower but I can't imagine the ride is as good. Hmm

[coreyjn7]

This certainly is disappointing but confirms none of the available options go low enough in the front

[TrentMeister]

Damn that really blows not gonna lie.. I've got mine sitting at home waiting to go on.

Really wish this wasn't the case.

Imran@Evolve any perspective here?

[barryc365]

So who is gonna be first to modify the kit?

Shaving a few mm could make all the difference

You'd think being adjustable you'd be able to adjust it quite low!

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by barryc365

So who is gonna be first to modify the kit?

Shaving a few mm could make all the difference

You'd think being adjustable you'd be able to adjust it quite low!

ahhhhhhhh the old cut the spring technique LOL

[///MeraldCity_G82]

Picture angles also matter when it comes to fender gaps. The pic I have of just the front wheel was taken with the lens at the same level as the top of the wheel.

[FITM3NT]

Thanks for the review!

I really am hoping that it just needs to settle, but as you said, that's a long way to go… time for a road trip to see if 2000 miles will help?

I'll hold off on installing until I see how yours turns out as I still have another few weeks before my G80 arrives.

[///MeraldCity_G82]

So another thing to note. At the lowest position of the front setup, I am able to freely spin the spring as well as the adjuster without using the tool. However, there is no vertical play and there is a tiny amount of preload. It makes me wonder if they tried to use a shorter spring and there was a lot of play so they had to go with a longer length. I'm not an engineer but that shouldn't matter much when the car is off the lifts and the weight of the car will preload the suspension so there is no play.

Which also makes me wonder if that is the reason KW and the other companies are taking their time to release their springs and stuff keeps getting delayed.

[mzcp]

I expect the same compliance as in my M2. Those are not coilovers but will be better than the stock suspension. Less dip on hard acceleration and stop plus less body roll. The rear springs will be soft for HPDE. I Will install them next week and provide feedback

[Imran@Evolve]

Originally Posted by BSM_G808

I agree, 15mm to settle is a lot... most springs only settle down 2-5mm more. Evolve's car looks like it got the 30mm drop so would love for them to chime in. Then again they had a developmental kit, so hopefully the springs used was the same.

The development kit on our car uses the same part numbers as the final kits. There would be no reason for MSS to change this considering all the development miles were done on our car.

We have 2000 miles on the kit now.

Aftermarket 20 front wheels



Stock 19 front wheel

[///MeraldCity_G82]

Thanks Imran@Evolve reassuring to hear and know that it will eventually settle that last .6inches.

[///MeraldCity_G82]

Update: Today it dropped another 5mm up front after 150 miles. Total drop so far is 20mm, 10 more to go. I think I will actually end up at the targeted 30mm. I will keep this updated after another 200 miles.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by BSM_G808

Update: Today it dropped another 5mm up front after 150 miles. Total drop so far is 20mm, 10 more to go. I think I will actually end up at the targeted 30mm. I will keep this updated after another 200 miles.

can you send a pic today of what it looks like, and if in the same spot as the first (for consistency)

Sorry its alot to ask but with KW delayed to August this is my only hope and you are my Obi Wan.

[///MeraldCity_G82]

Originally Posted by Vic55

can you send a pic today of what it looks like, and if in the same spot as the first (for consistency)

Sorry its alot to ask but with KW delayed to August this is my only hope and you are my Obi Wan.

I put on my new wheels so I am not sure if the fender gaps would be the same up front since the tire is slightly stretched going from 9.5 to 10 width up front. Finger tests tells me it is the same from when I took pics.

FYI the rears will rub lightly with two adults in the back with a 30mm drop.

Imran and MSS says it fully settles at 2000miles. I trust that it will otherwise they will have some pissed off customers as I am sure a lot of people want to switch due to KW being pushed back to August.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by BSM_G808

I put on my new wheels so I am not sure if the fender gaps would be the same up front since the tire is slightly stretched going from 9.5 to 10 width up front. Finger tests tells me it is the same from when I took pics.

FYI the rears will rub lightly with two adults in the back with a 30mm drop.

Imran and MSS says it fully settles at 2000miles. I trust that it will otherwise they will have some pissed off customers as I am sure a lot of people want to switch due to KW being pushed back to August.

Thanks for this, what wheels did you get? (assuming oem tires)

I just am slightly baffled that its gonna take 2k miles to adjust--- hell for me that will take over year and half of driving LOL.