[solstice]

Originally Posted by elitex

It's funny how so many are consumed with the weight when so few here actually track their cars. I bet most can't even tell a difference between 3900 vs 3700 lbs cars.

So much talk about weight and no one has even driven the car yet. I really think this car is going to surprise a lot of people.

Agreed, though in CanAutM3’s case I know that he is frequently at the track, more so than myself.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Avaley

I think some people trashing the weight also own an F8x and not an S58 M suv

I've owned 2 different f8x cars along with lotus etc. Again, S63 engine not S58.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by poweredbym

Same observation.
If this is proven true, I'd say the G80/2 is going in the right direction.

I have a number of colleagues and even friends who are frankly, negative BMW stereotypes. They own F-chassis 3-series, 4-series, etc. type cars and think it's weird I want an M2 over say an M5 or M8. In their minds the bigger the number, the bigger the flex on society and on social media. Anybody "settling" for the 2 must be weird or poor.

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I have a number of colleagues and even friends who are frankly, negative BMW stereotypes. They own F-chassis 3-series, 4-series, etc. type cars and think it's weird I want an M2 over say an M5 or M8. In their minds the bigger the number, the bigger the flex on society and on social media. Anybody "settling" for the 2 must be weird or poor.

This is the target buyer for the car no? The one who doesn't care about the weight and M4 = status

[solstice]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Using your logic, the last official weights quoted on the German BMW website were 1515kg/1540kg for a DCT/6MT M4. In the EU press release, the G8X MT/DCT are quoted at 1700kg/1725kg. That's a 185kg (407lb) increase for both. Now, I doubt that it will be that much, but thinking that it will be 200lb is on the overly optimistic side. There's a reason why BMW is being very hush on the weight of these cars...

That’s fair (minus the hush part with conspiracy under tones) and what I mentioned before, manufacturers listed numbers and standards are allover the place. We really don’t know at this point so why decide what is correct before you know and say no based on that?

[solstice]

I stayed away from euro numbers up until now since they’ve proven to confuse the situation more than helping in the past. However after having read some German information I have to admit that the higher weight concerns are looking less exaggerated. I retract my judgment of them being more unlikely and exaggerated than the lower US difference. My apologies to those I pointed out as alarmists.

[f80er]

Originally Posted by solstice

I stayed away from euro numbers up until now since they've proven to confuse the situation more than helping in the past. However after having read some German information I have to admit that the higher weight concerns are looking less exaggerated. I retract my judgment of them being more unlikely and exaggerated than the lower US difference. My apologies to those I pointed out as alarmists.

What?

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Brave ourselves too, BMW has wisely chose not to publish X Drive car weights as this is +75/80kg in the regular series cars so add another near 200lbs I guess for those cars.

I'm not hating on the new car at all, I really rather like it but, I recall the F8X release had lots of fancy animations about the CF driveshaft, the M4 lightweight trunk, the roof, the bracing etc etc. Feels like the main things focused on are the videos of the (very expensive) ADDITIONAL items I will need to buy to make my M car complete from the M Perf catalogue.

Anyway yes the weight, I also was disappointed but not too surprised.

I fully expect the AWD car to be 4100-4200 or very similar to a C63S coupe and a little heavier than an RS5. I do wonder; they seemed to leave out a lot of weight savings they typically add in. Maybe they are simply saving those for the upper tiered models? That would make sense to me. I’m just not sure it’s a good move seeing how the CS models went but that seems to be their strategy now.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I fully expect the AWD car to be 4100-4200 or very similar to a C63S coupe and a little heavier than an RS5. I do wonder; they seemed to leave out a lot of weight savings they typically add in. Maybe they are simply saving those for the upper tiered models? That would make sense to me. I’m just not sure it’s a good move seeing how the CS models went sitting on lots and massive discounts because they were priced too high.

Agreed if that’s the plan. The CSL which by definition have to be lighter is likely going to be unobtainable for all but a very select few, maybe even at LFA style allocation to those deemed worthy and a potential CS doesn’t have a good sales success record as you say.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Avaley

This is the target buyer for the car no? The one who doesn't care about the weight and M4 = status

Regardless, that doesn't make this weight gain OK in my eyes.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by f80er

What?

I spent some time reading the German auto press and German forums. The consensus Seem to be an 185kg/408 lbs increase and I’ve seen no challenges to it as changes in standards etc. Neither are there any comments to the contrary from BMW to be seen.

This make it seem more likely that the stated 3830 lbs weight is not comparable to the US last listed 3625 F82 M4 weight which only make a 205 lbs difference. You would think BMW would want to put a fork in that 185kg difference spread in Germany if it was untrue.

If the F82 MT now is 4K lbs US curb weight as seem probable I can indeed see many abandoning ship, maybe even myself.

[mcjohnsonsg]

Originally Posted by solstice

I spent some time reading the German auto press and German forums. The consensus Seem to be an 185kg/408 lbs increase and I've seen no challenges to it as changes in standards etc. Neither are there any comments to the contrary from BMW to be seen.

This make it seem more likely that the stated 3830 lbs weight is not comparable to the US last listed 3625 F82 M4 weight which only make a 205 lbs difference. You would think BMW would want to put a fork in that 185kg difference spread in Germany if it was untrue.

If the F82 MT now is 4K lbs US curb weight as seem probable I can indeed see many abandoning ship, maybe even myself.

That's depressing!

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Avaley

I want to highlight that this guy owns a S58...

Bro, do you know what an S58 is? So you think that because I just bought an X5M that I don't know about light weight cars??? You're an interesting character.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by mcjohnsonsg

That's depressing!

I don’t know how I feel about it, it puts some other cars in play for me again as the M5 and 992 depending on what path I want to take. The G82 was the best compromise to me but if the AWD is going to clock in closer to 4200 lbs the M5’s engine advantage starts to feel comparable to the G82’s nimbleness advantage. And the now huge delta to the 992 in nimbleness takes a big chunk out of the value and engine advantage of the M4 vs the 992.

Currently it’s more of re-calibration for me than disappointment. One thing I know is that if I’m dropping the M4 I won’t hang around here whining

[scoale]

Originally Posted by solstice

I spent some time reading the German auto press and German forums. The consensus Seem to be an 185kg/408 lbs increase and I’ve seen no challenges to it as changes in standards etc. Neither are there any comments to the contrary from BMW to be seen.

This make it seem more likely that the stated 3830 lbs weight is not comparable to the US last listed 3625 F82 M4 weight which only make a 205 lbs difference. You would think BMW would want to put a fork in that 185kg difference spread in Germany if it was untrue.

If the F82 MT now is 4K lbs US curb weight as seem probable I can indeed see many abandoning ship, maybe even myself.

Unless you're looking for the successor to the E39 M5?!? The new M3 is roughly the same size and weight, but with more power and current tech. If the G80 had a 5 badge on it, and improved steering, and improved suspension compliance without degrading handling, I think it would completely re-frame how the car is perceived (I get the styling doesn't fit a 5).

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by elitex

Bro, do you know what an S58 is? So you think that because I just bought an X5M that I don't know about light weight cars??? You're an interesting character.

I was trying to credit you but thats fine get defensive.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Avaley

I was trying to credit you but thats fine get defensive.

Not defensive but I really want to understand where the S58 reference keeps coming from.

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by elitex

Not defensive but I really want to understand where the S58 reference keeps coming from.

I mistakenly read your X5M as X3M...all good this forums discussions have gone downhill significantly anyways since release day

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Avaley

I mistakenly read your X5M as X3M

Got it.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by solstice

That’s fair (minus the hush part with conspiracy under tones) and what I mentioned before, manufacturers listed numbers and standards are allover the place. We really don’t know at this point so why decide what is correct before you know and say no based on that?

It's not a conspiracy, it's just marketing

[JTO24]

I know my M2 is no lightweight but its short wheelbase makes it feel more nimble at least... The G80 not only increases in weight it increases in wheelbase; giving a potential double-blow to nimbleness. I'll definitely need to drive one to see how it feels in comparison. The issue is, other than maybe Cadillac, one cannot get a new, manual RWD sedan anymore. I don't need 4 doors but as my daily driver, it makes a lot more sense. Plus, I don't want to navigate the mine field that is the pre-owned F80 market.

I was spoiled by my 981 Cayman which was very bare-bones w/ passive dampers and was probably still sub-3k lbs without me in it (US curb weigt was 2888lbs but I never put it on a scale). I mean, I only do 1-2 HPDE events per year while the most of my driving is around town but I still prefer a lighter vehicle regardless.

[mcjohnsonsg]

Originally Posted by solstice

I don't know how I feel about it, it puts some other cars in play for me again as the M5 and 992 depending on what path I want to take. The G82 was the best compromise to me but if the AWD is going to clock in closer to 4200 lbs the M5's engine advantage starts to feel comparable to the G82's nimbleness advantage. And the now huge delta to the 992 in nimbleness takes a big chunk out of the value and engine advantage of the M4 vs the 992.

Currently it's more of re-calibration for me than disappointment. One thing I know is that if I'm dropping the M4 I won't hang around here whining

Yes, re-calibration is a good way to put it. I was already not quite as excited about the G80 as I anticipated I would be following the launch, and if the 400lbs weight increase is real I need to let that sink in for a bit. Will still go test drive one, but now thinking about other options. Unfortunately, around $85k is my max budget, so M5, 911 are not really options. But I have been looking up pre-owned Cayman GTS's, which might fit my budget.