[ASAP]

Originally Posted by JTO24

I know my M2 is no lightweight but its short wheelbase makes it feel more nimble at least... The G80 not only increases in weight it increases in wheelbase; giving a potential double-blow to nimbleness. I'll definitely need to drive one to see how it feels in comparison. The issue is, other than maybe Cadillac, one cannot get a new, manual RWD sedan anymore. I don't need 4 doors but as my daily driver, it makes a lot more sense. Plus, I don't want to navigate the mine field that is the pre-owned F80 market.

I was spoiled by my 981 Cayman which was very bare-bones w/ passive dampers and was probably still sub-3k lbs without me in it (US curb weigt was 2888lbs but I never put it on a scale). I mean, I only do 1-2 HPDE events per year while the most of my driving is around town but I still prefer a lighter vehicle regardless.

The "mine field" that is the pre owned F80 market haha... how accurate.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by solstice

I don’t know how I feel about it, it puts some other cars in play for me again as the M5 and 992 depending on what path I want to take. The G82 was the best compromise to me but if the AWD is going to clock in closer to 4200 lbs the M5’s engine advantage starts to feel comparable to the G82’s nimbleness advantage. And the now huge delta to the 992 in nimbleness takes a big chunk out of the value and engine advantage of the M4 vs the 992.

Currently it’s more of re-calibration for me than disappointment. One thing I know is that if I’m dropping the M4 I won’t hang around here whining

A simple 992 S will beat a G8X acceleration wise, there's no "engine advantage" here. Weight is the enemy .

[solstice]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

A simple 992 S will beat a G8X acceleration wise, there's no "engine advantage" here. Weight is the enemy .

Most likely but to me there’s more to an engine than just the resulting performance of the car it’s bolted into. And to clarify what I mentioned there is more a list of my advantages in “likes” not a technical or performance list. Things that tip the scale for selection of car this time.

The P-car get minuses mainly on lack of value and practicality, the M5 get minuses on weight and size. Plus for P-car is driving dynamics and for the M5 it’s the engine. The G82 was the best compromise but could end up only with a value card and it’s cool progressive looks.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by solstice

Most likely but to me there’s more to an engine than just the resulting performance of the car it’s bolted into. And to clarify what I mentioned there is more a list of my advantages in “likes” not a technical or performance list. Things that tip the scale for selection of car this time.

The P-car get minuses mainly on lack of value and practicality, the M5 get minuses on weight and size. Plus for P-car is driving dynamics and for the M5 it’s the engine. The G82 was the best compromise but could end up only with a value card.

OK, like what?

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by solstice

Most likely but to me there’s more to an engine than just the resulting performance of the car it’s bolted into. And to clarify what I mentioned there is more a list of my advantages in “likes” not a technical or performance list. Things that tip the scale for selection of car this time.

The P-car get minuses mainly on lack of value and practicality, the M5 get minuses on weight and size. Plus for P-car is driving dynamics and for the M5 it’s the engine. The G82 was the best compromise but could end up only with a value card.

I love the way the 992 sounds. Sometimes I wonder if I should have gotten a 992S with Aerokit (my original plan) vs my 718 GT4 (but with Akrapovic link pipes it sounds insane!). I’m also a major fan of non-turbo engines. The 992 engine also really likes to rev out which I have not found many other turbo cars enjoy doing. It’s tough to beat the 992 because it’s weight is just so low and that engine really shines in terms of performance.
My buddy has an M5C and while the exhaust note isn’t bad I also don’t love the way it sounds.
If the S58 in the M3/4 sounds like the X3/4M it’s not bad.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

A simple 992 S will beat a G8X acceleration wise, there's no "engine advantage" here. Weight is the enemy .

I believe the base 992 911 will also beat a G8X. A member on Rennlist did 0-60 in 3.7 in his.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

OK, like what?

I don’t know if my original post on the subject might have been unclear but as for engine advantage it was the the M5. Other than the objective power numbers it’s a V8 with subjective advantages for me as sound and character. I haven’t driven a car with the S58 so I can’t judge it fairly against the 992 but it’s more powerful as a start.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by mcjohnsonsg

Yes, re-calibration is a good way to put it. I was already not quite as excited about the G80 as I anticipated I would be following the launch, and if the 400lbs weight increase is real I need to let that sink in for a bit. Will still go test drive one, but now thinking about other options. Unfortunately, around $85k is my max budget, so M5, 911 are not really options. But I have been looking up pre-owned Cayman GTS's, which might fit my budget.

A new four door MT performance car in 2021 spell G80 that’s for sure. Personally I would not waste time on the coming Caddy unless you have had a great experience with a GM car. I just need to walk into the dealership and I realize I’m in the wrong place

An F80 is really not that exciting in 2021 either. It would not evoke the feelings you should get when buying a new car. I’d stick with the G80 in your shoes. I still might btw. there’s still a lot to like and be excited over IMO.

[seis-speed]

Checked Alpha Giulia Quadrifoglio website specs RWD curb weight is 3806lbs automatic only. For Canada it was listed at 3820lbs. Pretty close to G80 specs.

Journalists talk about how agile and sporty the car feels compared to the lighter F80, so TBD on driving impressions. Maybe it masks the weight well?

Heavy sports cars are typically awful to drive, but maybe the engineering has progressed to compensate.

[SYT_Shadow]

It is interesting to see 9 pages of people really worried about the weight. Unless people are tracking there is little actual effect to the weight. For the hard parkers there should be no difference.

For the 5 people here that track, yes, this is a real problem.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

Checked Alpha Giulia Quadrifoglio website specs RWD curb weight is 3806lbs automatic only. For Canada it was listed at 3820lbs. Pretty close to G80 specs.

Journalists talk about how agile and sporty the car feels compared to the lighter F80, so TBD on driving impressions. Maybe it masks the weight well?

Heavy sports cars are typically awful to drive, but maybe the engineering has progressed to compensate.

Agree if the weight is the 3830 from the launch but if it’s the 408 lbs difference from the German market you can’t mask that enough.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

It is interesting to see 9 pages of people really worried about the weight. Unless people are tracking there is little actual effect to the weight. For the hard parkers there should be no difference.

For the 5 people here that track, yes, this is a real problem.

To some extent but there’s a reason some of us prefer the M3 over the M5 on the street and track. That reason is to a large extent weight whether people realize it or not.

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by solstice

One of the mods eluded to that the G8X weights come from the first batch of dealer show cars which he indicated/believed to be fairly loaded. Whether this is correct or not I can’t say. I only know that the 2020 M4 MT was last listed as 3625 lbs. just before it was removed.

When you say your cars do you do so with or without a driver and full fluids? All of these things matters to get fair numbers. In the end it’s a futile comparison since it’s so polluted numbers and very hard to know what you need to do to match the car used for the listed number.

Our Cayenne was listed at a US curb weight near 4300 lbs...yeah right...

I always had about 50-75lbs of stuff in the car. Car seats, folding chairs in the trunk, blanket. Delete (those items and my body weight) the car was very close to 3450-3475 lbs. Right in line with my OG M2. Amazingly light, considering the exterior dimensions of the car. But it was an early F80 and as they progressed they gained significant weight.

Here is a great thread on early F80 weights.
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1077612

[solstice]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

I always had about 50-75lbs of stuff in the car. Car seats, folding chairs in the trunk, blanket. Delete (those items and my body weight) the car was very close to 3450-3475 lbs. Right in line with my OG M2. Amazingly light, considering the exterior dimensions of the car. But it was an early F80 and as they progressed they gained significant weight.

Here is a great thread on early F80 weights.
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1077612

I hope you get a G80 early and can put it through your process

[mcjohnsonsg]

Originally Posted by solstice

A new four door MT performance car in 2021 spell G80 that's for sure. Personally I would not waste time on the coming Caddy unless you have had a great experience with a GM car. I just need to walk into the dealership and I realize I'm in the wrong place

An F80 is really not that exciting in 2021 either. It would not evoke the feelings you should get when buying a new car. I'd stick with the G80 in your shoes. I still might btw. there's still a lot to like and be excited over IMO.

I get what you're saying about Cadillac. Coming from the UK (but living in the US for last 17 yrs) I have no history with Cadillac and really have no interest (even though I accept they are making some nice handling cars these days).

I still have 18months of my M340xdrive lease to run, so will wait for all the G80 reviews to come out, and take it for a few test drives etc before I make my mind up. Also, my brother in UK has an order in for a G80, so when he gets it I will be interested in his view compared with his current F82C.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by solstice

Most likely but to me there’s more to an engine than just the resulting performance of the car it’s bolted into.

Reliability and fuel economy?

[///Mcarfan]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

Checked Alpha Giulia Quadrifoglio website specs RWD curb weight is 3806lbs automatic only. For Canada it was listed at 3820lbs. Pretty close to G80 specs.

Journalists talk about how agile and sporty the car feels compared to the lighter F80, so TBD on driving impressions. Maybe it masks the weight well?

Heavy sports cars are typically awful to drive, but maybe the engineering has progressed to compensate.

Journalist almost always praise the cars they review so I wouldn't put too much into that.

Heavy sports car can drive ok, but not great. There's a reason Porsche puts a lot of focus on weight.

[///Mcarfan]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

It is interesting to see 9 pages of people really worried about the weight. Unless people are tracking there is little actual effect to the weight. For the hard parkers there should be no difference.

For the 5 people here that track, yes, this is a real problem.

Not true.
Even off the track, for a heavier car, 3500lb plus, you can definitely feel it in the canyons.
If only doing freeway pulls then no.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

Checked Alpha Giulia Quadrifoglio website specs RWD curb weight is 3806lbs automatic only. For Canada it was listed at 3820lbs. Pretty close to G80 specs.

Journalists talk about how agile and sporty the car feels compared to the lighter F80, so TBD on driving impressions. Maybe it masks the weight well?

Heavy sports cars are typically awful to drive, but maybe the engineering has progressed to compensate.

Giulia definitely feels very light and nimble in the sedan segment. Definitely drove better than F8x cars.

[scoale]

Originally Posted by mcjohnsonsg

Yes, re-calibration is a good way to put it. I was already not quite as excited about the G80 as I anticipated I would be following the launch, and if the 400lbs weight increase is real I need to let that sink in for a bit. Will still go test drive one, but now thinking about other options. Unfortunately, around $85k is my max budget, so M5, 911 are not really options. But I have been looking up pre-owned Cayman GTS's, which might fit my budget.

If, if, if your lifestyle is amenable to a Cayman GTS, you don't really need to wait to test drive a G80. The Cayman's steering, braking, throttle response, transmission, sound, nimbleness, and dimensions are all going to be superior. And the Cayman is a GREAT looking car and the GTS will definitely better hold its value. That's not a knock on the G80, that's the reality of a purpose-built driver's car with a bunch of 911 parts and a thousand pound weight advantage.

[xlover]

The comparisons to the 911 are interesting and show the breadth of appeal for the M4 use cases, but also do not make a ton of sense to me personally. considering the M4 can seat up to 4 adults and carry 4 golf bags to the course and the 911 can seat 2 adults and carry 0 golf bags.
Unless of of course you get a vert and put them on the seats... classy

[mcjohnsonsg]

Originally Posted by scoale

If, if, if your lifestyle is amenable to a Cayman GTS, you don't really need to wait to test drive a G80. The Cayman's steering, braking, throttle response, transmission, sound, nimbleness, and dimensions are all going to be superior. And the Cayman is a GREAT looking car and the GTS will definitely better hold its value. That's not a knock on the G80, that's the reality of a purpose-built driver's car with a bunch of 911 parts and a thousand pound weight advantage.

All true - but going with a Cayman would force other changes too. My current plan is to use the G80 as a daily. I also have a Volvo XC60 (well, it's my girlfriends), but I hate driving it and will almost always take my current M340xdrive because it is practical enough to work in 95% of scenarios. The Cayman would inevitably mean having to drive the second car more frequently, and I couldn't bring myself to drive the XC60 more than I currently do. It sucks the joy out of life (although I'm quite comfortable while it's doing that!). Hence, Cayman means also replacing the XC60 with something like an X3 M40i.