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      06-28-2021, 07:28 AM   #221
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I've ordered the M comp. Xdrive because of the fact that I really love a "clean" drive. I'm enjoying a lot with my RWD M140i, and as I'll keep it alongside the M3, I wanted something different.

M140i LSD RWD - a compact just for fun (donuts, burnouts, drifts)
M3 Mxdrive - my personal Autobahn killer and special real M car

And another reason why I bought it 4WD, is that, whenever you want, you can have it RWD pressing a button....

I don't care about the wight, I'll not take it onto a track...so for me it doesn't matter. I go tracking with different and more track focused cars.
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I would have considered 6MT AWD but since that's not an option it'll be 6MT RWD for me. That's OK though - I have a X5 that's got M xDrive and the ZF 8AT so I don't need the same thing in a second car.
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I really want a manual and I would love to have a brand new car with a manual. However, these cars are putting down way too much power these days. Once you start doing any mods you won't be able to put down the power, which is not fun. The car already has to launch in 2nd gear. I don't want to play the traction game and have to drive around on drag radials.
If AWD was available in a 6 speed there would be no question on which spec to get.
Like others have said, the option to switch the AWD to RWD and use the 10 stage traction control gives drivers the best of both worlds. There is a theory that the M3CS will be available in AWD with a manual, so maybe BMW has a strategy here. I still think about switching my build to manual every now and then… haha
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I really want a manual and I would love to have a brand new car with a manual. However, these cars are putting down way too much power these days. Once you start doing any mods you won't be able to put down the power, which is not fun. The car already has to launch in 2nd gear. I don't want to play the traction game and have to drive around on drag radials.
If AWD was available in a 6 speed there would be no question on which spec to get.
Like others have said, the option to switch the AWD to RWD and use the 10 stage traction control gives drivers the best of both worlds. There is a theory that the M3CS will be available in AWD with a manual, so maybe BMW has a strategy here. I still think about switching my build to manual every now and then… haha
I don't know if there is an option for traction control in RWD mode… thought you can only do MDM in RWD mode?! Correct me if I'm wrong!! The 10 Stage traction control is only for the RWD cars..
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I really want a manual and I would love to have a brand new car with a manual. However, these cars are putting down way too much power these days. Once you start doing any mods you won't be able to put down the power, which is not fun. The car already has to launch in 2nd gear. I don't want to play the traction game and have to drive around on drag radials.
If AWD was available in a 6 speed there would be no question on which spec to get.
Like others have said, the option to switch the AWD to RWD and use the 10 stage traction control gives drivers the best of both worlds. There is a theory that the M3CS will be available in AWD with a manual, so maybe BMW has a strategy here. I still think about switching my build to manual every now and then… haha
I don't know if there is an option for traction control in RWD mode… thought you can only do MDM in RWD mode?! Correct me if I'm wrong!! The 10 Stage traction control is only for the RWD cars..
Here you go. An explanation of the AWD
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First of all, I feel like most people here who wants an AWD haven't driven a RWD G80/82. I promise you, it's not the same as F80/82. I bought my G82 because the AWD isn't an option currently … and I'm impatient as f**k. However, I don't regret my decision. I've owned both the F80 and F82.. the traction and launch on my G82 is far superior. Yes, 0-60 will be better with AWD but I can't remember the last time I raced someone off the line… high school maybe? Not something I go around looking for. all I know is that I like to go fast and the RWD G82 checks that box. I have an RRS for a daily, it seems to tackle my rainy and snowy days fairly well. For all that are waiting for an AWD… test drive a RWD if you can.
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First of all, I feel like most people here who wants an AWD haven't driven a RWD G80/82. I promise you, it's not the same as F80/82. I bought my G82 because the AWD isn't an option currently … and I'm impatient as f**k. However, I don't regret my decision. I've owned both the F80 and F82.. the traction and launch on my G82 is far superior. Yes, 0-60 will be better with AWD but I can't remember the last time I raced someone off the line… high school maybe? Not something I go around looking for. all I know is that I like to go fast and the RWD G82 checks that box. I have an RRS for a daily, it seems to tackle my rainy and snowy days fairly well. For all that are waiting for an AWD… test drive a RWD if you can.
I did test drive a RWD and I was amazed by the grip. The RWD G80 is probably on of the best rear wheel drive vehicles I have ever driven because of the technology and how it is able to deliver power.
After driving the RWD it just made me very excited for the AWD, haha. The back end got squirrely a few times and I loved it.
However, the xDrive is rear wheel drive biased so it will do the same if you really want it to. I know this from experience in my M340ix. I honestly don't think you can go wrong with either choice, I personally wouldn't get a RWD auto. If I go RWD, I will definitely get the manual.

At the end of the day, it is a great car. Your 0-60 and 1/4 mile times don't really matter that much. So just get one and go drive it.
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I wanted AWD so I got AWD. It snows where I am and I have hills.
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I really want a manual and I would love to have a brand new car with a manual. However, these cars are putting down way too much power these days. Once you start doing any mods you won't be able to put down the power, which is not fun. The car already has to launch in 2nd gear. I don't want to play the traction game and have to drive around on drag radials.
If AWD was available in a 6 speed there would be no question on which spec to get.
Like others have said, the option to switch the AWD to RWD and use the 10 stage traction control gives drivers the best of both worlds. There is a theory that the M3CS will be available in AWD with a manual, so maybe BMW has a strategy here. I still think about switching my build to manual every now and then… haha
I don't know if there is an option for traction control in RWD mode… thought you can only do MDM in RWD mode?! Correct me if I'm wrong!! The 10 Stage traction control is only for the RWD cars..
Optioning they 10 stage traction control is the only way to get traction control on the AWD version when utilizing RWD mode, per the technical documentation.
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I really want a manual and I would love to have a brand new car with a manual. However, these cars are putting down way too much power these days. Once you start doing any mods you won't be able to put down the power, which is not fun. The car already has to launch in 2nd gear. I don't want to play the traction game and have to drive around on drag radials.
If AWD was available in a 6 speed there would be no question on which spec to get.
Like others have said, the option to switch the AWD to RWD and use the 10 stage traction control gives drivers the best of both worlds. There is a theory that the M3CS will be available in AWD with a manual, so maybe BMW has a strategy here. I still think about switching my build to manual every now and then… haha
I don't know if there is an option for traction control in RWD mode… thought you can only do MDM in RWD mode?! Correct me if I'm wrong!! The 10 Stage traction control is only for the RWD cars..
Optioning they 10 stage traction control is the only way to get traction control on the AWD version when utilizing RWD mode, per the technical documentation.
"The M xDrive system also offers a choice of three drive modes: 4WD – the default setting with rear-wheel biased torque distribution focused on traction and precisely controlled handling.
4WD Sport – directs greater percentage of torque to the rear during dynamic driving and is designed to work particularly well on track environments. 2WD – requires DCS to be turned off and affords experienced drivers a pure rear-wheel drive experience without any system intervention".

No traction control in RWD mode. It's all you!

Introducing the 2022 BMW M3 and M4 Competition xDrive https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1817773
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I really want a manual and I would love to have a brand new car with a manual. However, these cars are putting down way too much power these days. Once you start doing any mods you won't be able to put down the power, which is not fun. The car already has to launch in 2nd gear. I don't want to play the traction game and have to drive around on drag radials.
If AWD was available in a 6 speed there would be no question on which spec to get.
Like others have said, the option to switch the AWD to RWD and use the 10 stage traction control gives drivers the best of both worlds. There is a theory that the M3CS will be available in AWD with a manual, so maybe BMW has a strategy here. I still think about switching my build to manual every now and then… haha
I don't know if there is an option for traction control in RWD mode… thought you can only do MDM in RWD mode?! Correct me if I'm wrong!! The 10 Stage traction control is only for the RWD cars..
Optioning they 10 stage traction control is the only way to get traction control on the AWD version when utilizing RWD mode, per the technical documentation.
"The M xDrive system also offers a choice of three drive modes: 4WD – the default setting with rear-wheel biased torque distribution focused on traction and precisely controlled handling.
4WD Sport – directs greater percentage of torque to the rear during dynamic driving and is designed to work particularly well on track environments. 2WD – requires DCS to be turned off and affords experienced drivers a pure rear-wheel drive experience without any system intervention".

No traction control in RWD mode. It's all you!

Introducing the 2022 BMW M3 and M4 Competition xDrive https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1817773
Re-read the technical documentation. Clearly states that when in 2WD mode for the AWD the 10 stage traction control system can be engaged if it was optioned.
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I really want a manual and I would love to have a brand new car with a manual. However, these cars are putting down way too much power these days. Once you start doing any mods you won't be able to put down the power, which is not fun. The car already has to launch in 2nd gear. I don't want to play the traction game and have to drive around on drag radials.
If AWD was available in a 6 speed there would be no question on which spec to get.
Like others have said, the option to switch the AWD to RWD and use the 10 stage traction control gives drivers the best of both worlds. There is a theory that the M3CS will be available in AWD with a manual, so maybe BMW has a strategy here. I still think about switching my build to manual every now and then… haha
I don't know if there is an option for traction control in RWD mode… thought you can only do MDM in RWD mode?! Correct me if I'm wrong!! The 10 Stage traction control is only for the RWD cars..
Optioning they 10 stage traction control is the only way to get traction control on the AWD version when utilizing RWD mode, per the technical documentation.
"The M xDrive system also offers a choice of three drive modes: 4WD – the default setting with rear-wheel biased torque distribution focused on traction and precisely controlled handling.
4WD Sport – directs greater percentage of torque to the rear during dynamic driving and is designed to work particularly well on track environments. 2WD – requires DCS to be turned off and affords experienced drivers a pure rear-wheel drive experience without any system intervention".

No traction control in RWD mode. It's all you!

Introducing the 2022 BMW M3 and M4 Competition xDrive https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1817773
Re-read the technical documentation. Clearly states that when in 2WD mode for the AWD the 10 stage traction control system can be engaged if it was optioned.
I take back my previous statement!! You are correct my friend.
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Getting AWD by choice & factory default - M4 Convert. Have read that the standard RWD cars will launch in 2nd gear to hold traction.

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Getting AWD by choice & factory default - M4 Convert. Have read that the standard RWD cars will launch automatically by software in 2nd gear to hold traction.

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RWD COMP indeed launches in 2nd gear yes.. not sure yet if AWD will be a 2nd gear launch as well (most likely)
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Personally I think there is an argument for both options. As for me, knowing that this engine is making close to 1000hp on stock internals (redbull racing), I would like to know that I am able to put down all of my power in any aftermarket modifications. My issue in coming from my 800whp c63s coupe AMG is that I cant do a darn thing with all of the power as I just wheel spin through all of my gears.
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I like the AWD concept; had it in my M8 and have it currently in my Nissan GTR. My M4 Competition is not AWD but I am ok with it since my GTR scratches that itch.
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Facts.
I would also have assumed this for a fact, but then i drove the RWD G80 : it is unbelievable how much traction it has.
We will have to see the reviews and i am sure we will also get comparison reviews for both RWD / AWD versions. If the AWD does not impact the feeling/steering of the car i am sure AWD is the way to go considering the small extra cost.

But if AWD does impact the steering/handling feel of the car i would still very much go with the RWD because really the RWD is absolutely brilliant and has no traction problems at all (when you leave all the electronics turned on)
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AWD.

It is the reason I decided to buy this car and go all-in. My DD has been some form of turboed AWD car since 2005. I love how AWDs handle in all conditions all year long regardless of season. I don't care about "purity", "saving the manuals", or "real M like they made 50 years ago" nostalgia. Proud heretic. My priorities are mine, to each their own. But I do vote with my dollars

FWIW: I test drove an M3 Comp on a cold wet PNW April day, and loved it. I was very impressed by hiw it felt despite far from optimal "summer" conditions. Then I got in line for a MY22 xdrive allocation.
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AWD.

It is the reason I decided to buy this car and go all-in. My DD has been some form of turboed AWD car since 2005. I love how AWDs handle in all conditions all year long regardless of season. I don't care about "purity", "saving the manuals", or "real M like they made 50 years ago" nostalgia. Proud heretic. My priorities are mine, to each their own. But I do vote with my dollars

FWIW: I test drove an M3 Comp on a cold wet PNW April day, and loved it. I was very impressed by hiw it felt despite far from optimal "summer" conditions. Then I got in line for a MY22 xdrive allocation.
AWD + Automatic M3

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I just looked it up in Webster:

M3 definition: rwd manual transmission

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AWD without question. It only took BMW 13 years to do what the GTR brought to the public in MY2009.

575 wheel with a few bolt ons in a 3800lb package was a sweet spot for a DD that occasionally made it to a track or strip. That car could put the power down, and was by no means “boring” - Ran 10 flat at 138 in DD form, and would go sideways if U wanted it to.

My f80, while a fun car in its own right, just cannot come close to putting the power down like the GTR did, even at only 444 rated stock Hp. Never tuned it because that would have frustrated the hell out of me.

Hoping I will love my new M like I did the GTR. All that performance with some modern touches, more useable interior, etc,etc would be amazing.
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I just looked it up in Webster:

M3 definition: rwd manual transmission

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Pretty sure an American English dictionary (fake English unless it's the OED, because tradition matters right?) doesn't define a German car

And wait until the purists find out about electric toothbrushes, wireless networks, and 2-in-1 shampoo.

I'm glad they make a RWD MT. Buy 2, one kept in storage, because this is probably the last one of it's kind. Meanwhile, I'm looking forward to my new year-round all-weather DD.
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