[G30M]

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dug up an old video for those who are interested, as this topic seems to come up a lot

[boss2k]

Good review , M4 is not a drivers car but very fast plus its too big and heavy. Thats the reason i gave up my allocation. Its not a sports car but more on the luxury side

[G30M]

i wanted a 5 series touring when i was younger, so i went and got an M340i during mid life (same size)

[jmg]

Originally Posted by boss2k

Good review , M4 is not a drivers car but very fast plus its too big and heavy. Thats the reason i gave up my allocation. Its not a sports car but more on the luxury side

I just recently went to the track with my buddy in his 981 GT4. He was on Cup2's and I was on MPS4S. We pretty much had the same lap times, and he's probably a better driver than I am. The G82 is heavy, but it makes up for it in grip and power. That GT4 though, is definitely a more refined machine for the track, but that doesn't mean you can't do sporty things in an M4.

981 GT4 ring tme - 7:40
718 GT4 ring time - 7:28
G82 M4 Competition X-Drive ring time - 7:28

[boss2k]

Originally Posted by jmg

I just recently went to the track with my buddy in his 981 GT4. He was on Cup2's and I was on MPS4S. We pretty much had the same lap times, and he's probably a better driver than I am. The G82 is heavy, but it makes up for it in grip and power. That GT4 though, is definitely a more refined machine for the track, but that doesn't mean you can't do sporty things in an M4.

981 GT4 ring tme - 7:40
718 GT4 ring time - 7:28
G82 M4 Competition X-Drive ring time - 7:28

M4 is in the sports coupe category , not a sports car, big difference

The car is way too long than it should be , i drove both G82 Xdrive and manual cars , its ridiculously powerful and fast and very well built but tamed a lot, its not raw as a F80 . Interior fit and finish is fantastic, BMW has come a long way but i dont consider it sporty enough.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by boss2k

M4 is in the sports coupe category , not a sports car, big difference

The car is way too long than it should be , i drove both G82 Xdrive and manual cars , its ridiculously powerful and fast and very well built but tamed a lot, its not raw as a F80 . Interior fit and finish is fantastic, BMW has come a long way but i dont consider it sporty enough.

I didn't say it was a "sports car" but that doesn't mean it can't hang with them.

I've tracked both my G82 and my F80 M3 CS and it's more capable and better handling.

[LTJohn]

it's better to either own both, or to never drive the other one.

The M4 will ruin the GT4 experience in some ways and the GT4 will ruin the M4 experience. They are remarkable dissimilar vehicles despite their similar performances.
I have a GT3 and I make a pointed effort to never drive the GT4. LOL!

[HawaiiG80Green]

Having both, G80 wins the Mon-Fri drive 😀. Sat/Sun goes to the GT4.

They compliment each other. Love the practicality of the G80 but boy the GT4 just make its more raw and engaging. We love both equally 😂.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by HawaiiG80Green

Having both, G80 wins the Mon-Fri drive 😀. Sat/Sun goes to the GT4.

They compliment each other. Love the practicality of the G80 but boy the GT4 just make its more raw and engaging. We love both equally 😂.

Love the color brother!!!

[PKE90]

Originally Posted by HawaiiG80Green

Having both, G80 wins the Mon-Fri drive 😀. Sat/Sun goes to the GT4.

They compliment each other. Love the practicality of the G80 but boy the GT4 just make its more raw and engaging. We love both equally 😂.

Precisely!

[G30M]

No. No! No you- you complete me.

[m.dreamin]

Originally Posted by boss2k

M4 is in the sports coupe category , not a sports car, big difference

The car is way too long than it should be , i drove both G82 Xdrive and manual cars , its ridiculously powerful and fast and very well built but tamed a lot, its not raw as a F80 . Interior fit and finish is fantastic, BMW has come a long way but i dont consider it sporty enough.

Got a source for this "big difference" and how the M4 isn't a "sports car"?

I had my F82 for five years and drove it hard. The G82 isn't "tamed", unless you mean that you didn't turn off all the nannies during your drive. The F82 doesn't hold up against the G82 in power, agility, nor the ability to put power down. The G82's luxury is indeed miles above the F82, but that doesn't make it less of a "sports car". If that were the case then those posh, leather-filed Lambos and Ferraris from the 90's would just be "sports coupes".

[boss2k]

Originally Posted by m.dreamin

Got a source for this "big difference" and how the M4 isn't a "sports car"?

I had my F82 for five years and drove it hard. The G82 isn't "tamed", unless you mean that you didn't turn off all the nannies during your drive. The F82 doesn't hold up against the G82 in power, agility, nor the ability to put power down. The G82's luxury is indeed miles above the F82, but that doesn't make it less of a "sports car". If that were the case then those posh, leather-filed Lambos and Ferraris from the 90's would just be "sports coupes".

I already said its a very fast car and very well built and interior upgrades are very nice but unfortunately that doesnt equate to a good sports car, a good sports car is light and nimble and a drivers car like the porsche 718/911 series. The M4 is bulky and heavy

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by boss2k

I already said its a very fast car and very well built and interior upgrades are very nice but unfortunately that doesnt equate to a good sports car, a good sports car is light and nimble and a drivers car like the porsche 718/911 series. The M4 is bulky and heavy

M4 is a touring car. IMO it's the perfect daily driver. I would never compare it to a GT4.

[Salespunk]

Sports car vs performance sedan has nothing to do with 0-60 or lap times IMO. A performance sedan like an M3 or M5 can be brutally fast even on a track. Single lap times can be as fast or faster than a "sports car". Instead you have to focus on feel, weight, and consistency of lap time/performance. An M5 cannot maintain those hero laps due to a 4400 lb weight and the amount of stress it puts on tires/brakes.

In reality we are splitting hairs here. A GT4 is an amazing performance car. The M3/4 is an amazing performance car. The solve different problems for most people where the M's are awesome daily cars and the GT4 is a great weekend car.

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

Sports car vs performance sedan has nothing to do with 0-60 or lap times IMO. A performance sedan like an M3 or M5 can be brutally fast even on a track. Single lap times can be as fast or faster than a "sports car". Instead you have to focus on feel, weight, and consistency of lap time/performance. An M5 cannot maintain those hero laps due to a 4400 lb weight and the amount of stress it puts on tires/brakes.

In reality we are splitting hairs here. A GT4 is an amazing performance car. The M3/4 is an amazing performance car. The solve different problems for most people where the M's are awesome daily cars and the GT4 is a great weekend car.

I completely agree. The GT4 is a different car all together, but I'm not sure I'd want to daily one. With that being said, I do have its soft top brother on order, the Boxster Spyder.

I think the M3/4 are gray performance vehicles but in a different category than the 718 GT4 all together. One is more deviated to track driving, while the other 2 try to be a 'do it all' type of vehicle.

The GT4 is just comfortable enough to get you to the track not really intended to be your commuter.