12-23-2017, 09:05 PM | #268 |
Captain
879
Rep 671
Posts |
Why would anyone want awd in an m3. The current m3 has already strayed so far from a purist drivers car why would you want it to stray further into just being an rs4, the car we used to point and laugh at for being a technological marvel of 0 fun.
__________________
Nice cars
|
Appreciate
3
|
12-24-2017, 07:30 AM | #269 | |
Brigadier General
2464
Rep 3,803
Posts |
Quote:
That seems like a very easy conclusion to me. |
|
Appreciate
1
evanescent031033.00 |
12-25-2017, 07:57 AM | #270 | ||
Colonel
2367
Rep 2,362
Posts
Drives: G87 M2; E92M3 MT&DCT; M3 euro
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: nyc
|
Quote:
Quote:
M used to teach drivers how to respect a high HP RWD car. My mere E36 M3 came "only" with 321hp from the factory but it never got traction control- you were and are always alone with just a mechanical locking diff and ABS. This translates to raw excitement that no modern car can offer without certain push of a button. (I am not saying traction control is bad; it is a necessity for safety for general public. The car's raw performance nonetheless was always accessible in 90s) Nowadays it's turned into a simple mash-the-throttle-and-blame-DSC/tyre when the car spins off, which is why I think that the turnover rates of M cars are so high; you buy and sell the car within 3 years because you don't learn different aspects of the car's driveability for traction control does everything for you, and it makes the experience that much duller. Smart move from BMW for sale if intended.
__________________
Pass me if you can.
|
||
Appreciate
3
|
12-25-2017, 10:49 AM | #271 | |
Major General
2759
Rep 6,760
Posts |
Quote:
The thing is simply not allowed in many forms of racing, period. Regulations also stipulate a minimum weight for the car, and it would not be difficult to bake-in an AWD setup from the beginning and still achieve the weight target. Then you’d have a car that weighs same as the others on the grid, but has better traction in low grip situations (rain etc.) or slow corners. Historically every time someone figured out how to accomplish this the results were either to ban the technology, or to force the entire grid to match it. Don’t misunderstand me, I love the M3 the way it is, and as long as it stays under 500-some BHP I want it to stay RWD.
__________________
2018 F80 Santorini 2019 Z4 3.0i 2022 X2 M35i |
|
Appreciate
1
Brake_Late1937.50 |
12-25-2017, 11:05 AM | #272 | |
Major General
2759
Rep 6,760
Posts |
Quote:
If there weren’t showstoppers such as questionable reliability and lack of a manual transmission I’d say the Alfa QF. What else is there? Camaro if you can take the stupid styling, Mustang 350 if you’re ok with 2 doors... I’m curious what your choice would be.
__________________
2018 F80 Santorini 2019 Z4 3.0i 2022 X2 M35i |
|
Appreciate
1
Remonster824.00 |
12-25-2017, 07:11 PM | #273 |
Major
793
Rep 1,367
Posts |
AWD in an M car is absolutely sacrilegious
BMW, please, make this car weigh in around 3000 lbs...kthx |
Appreciate
1
Brake_Late1937.50 |
12-25-2017, 09:16 PM | #274 | |
Lieutenant General
4972
Rep 10,200
Posts
Drives: 2024 Golf R / 2022 718 Spyder
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Dallas, TX
|
Quote:
I also liked the PDK very slightly better than the DCT I have now, but I am also really not excited about the move to ZF 8 speeds autos for M cars in the next generation. I’m sure they will make it as good as they can, but there’s an appreciable (albeit subjective) difference from a feeling perspective when comparing one to a DCT/PDK. I just like the dual clutch options better.
__________________
Past rides: 2016 981 BGTS, 2020 MINI JCW, 2017 F80, 2015 981 CS, 2014 F22 235, 2011 E82 135, 2008 E82 135, 2007 E92 328, 2007 E92 328 (My lady drives an OG M2. So does my dad)
Last edited by dmboone25; 12-26-2017 at 02:17 PM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-25-2017, 11:24 PM | #275 | |
Major General
2759
Rep 6,760
Posts |
Quote:
I fully understand why you wouldn’t want a ZF8 in your emotional car.
__________________
2018 F80 Santorini 2019 Z4 3.0i 2022 X2 M35i |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-26-2017, 02:17 AM | #276 |
Banned
3161
Rep 9,134
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
01-02-2018, 11:56 AM | #278 | ||
Colonel
352
Rep 2,176
Posts |
Quote:
|
||
Appreciate
1
amw896582.50 |
01-02-2018, 03:15 PM | #279 | |
Major
583
Rep 1,117
Posts
Drives: 2015 BMW M235i
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: ontario
|
Don't mean to derail the thread but why is the M performance line a joke? I'm guessing you are referring to your previous m235i? I own one and love it. It's my first bmw but I think it's a great intro to the brand.
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
01-02-2018, 03:48 PM | #280 | |
Lieutenant General
4972
Rep 10,200
Posts
Drives: 2024 Golf R / 2022 718 Spyder
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Dallas, TX
|
Quote:
I can absolutely see why someone new to the brand or RWD would like it - but it was a complete let down for me. I was expecting something much closer to a "real" M, and always felt like the car was nowhere near that. All my own fault - I bought into the hype and ordered one of the very first cars to be delivered on the forum. Bought it sight unseen and having no test drive. Those are mistakes I haven't and won't make again, because the character of the car was completely inconsistent with my expectations for it. So I got rid of it after about 18 months and got a 981 instead, which exceeded my expectations. It all worked out in the end...I just don't agree how the car was introduced in terms of what the M perf. line was supposed to represent. It's an Audi S line, but from the BMW side. Which is totally fine and good - but that's not what I was expecting when I got it.
__________________
Past rides: 2016 981 BGTS, 2020 MINI JCW, 2017 F80, 2015 981 CS, 2014 F22 235, 2011 E82 135, 2008 E82 135, 2007 E92 328, 2007 E92 328 (My lady drives an OG M2. So does my dad)
|
|
|
01-07-2018, 11:39 AM | #281 | |
Barge driver
8658
Rep 12,425
Posts |
Quote:
I agree that the M performance models are disappointing they don't seem to offer anything more than the M sport models other than a bit more power, the drive seems pretty much the same it's a big jump in feel to the M cars in my view. BMW wanted to match Audi I guess with their "S-line" "S" and "RS" line up so went "M sport" "M performance" "M".
__________________
730d/Z4C
|
|
|
02-01-2018, 01:40 PM | #282 |
Second Lieutenant
116
Rep 243
Posts |
must haves : less weight, more grip/less spikey engine and the rest can be whatever...
nice to have: improved interior styling, better sound |
Appreciate
0
|
02-01-2018, 01:41 PM | #283 |
Colonel
2709
Rep 2,350
Posts |
I really love RWD but if it comes with the same switchable AWD like the M5 is going to be a winner.
For my climate this will be what I am looking for. bring it in and I will be all over it. (hopefully will have a nicer interior, better materials and a beautiful exterior) |
Appreciate
0
|
02-01-2018, 01:42 PM | #285 |
The Tanzanian
1317
Rep 1,508
Posts
Drives: BMW M3, Audi RS6, Mini Cooper
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Los Angeles, CA
|
Would be very impressed if they drop weight again for this next generation considering they did that last gen. One can hope!
__________________
2023 F56 MINI Cooper SE Midnight Black II on Carbon Black 2021 C8 Audi RS6 Avant Mythos Black on Black/Grey 2016 F80 BMW M3 Black Sapphire Metallic on Silverstone |
Appreciate
0
|
Bookmarks |
|
|