[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Mo Reviews

I really hope they don't scrap the DCT... but they will.

From July 2021 onwards: BMW history.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Mo Reviews

I really hope they don't scrap the DCT... but they will.

They already did?

You think they will bring it back and test / develop it vs the S58 engine just for the M2?

Interesting. I think there is less than zero chance.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Artemis

From July 2021 onwards: BMW history.

Yup, DCT gone before the MT.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by akkando

Yup, DCT gone before the MT.

G87 M2 gearbox choice will 99.99% be the one the G80 M3 / G82 M4:

• LS58 6-speed manual gearbox;
• M8HP76 M 8-speed auto gearbox (aka "ZF8" | ZF = Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen = Cogwheel Factory Friedrichshafen).

M-DCT (made by Magna PT, formerly known as "Getrag" | "PT" = powertrain | "Getr" refers to "Getriebe" = transmission) is discontinued from July 2021 onwards.

ZF and Magna PT (Getrag) are competitors.

M-DCT (more pictures here):




ZF8HP70 (the G80/G82 feature the ZF8HP76 variant):


LS58 6-speed manual gearbox (G80/G82):

[Artemis]

One of the advantages of the G87 M2 (S58 engine) over the F87 M2 (N55/S55 engine) for the European market:

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Another Euro-specific bit of good news: S58 will be EU7 compliant.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Shaping up nicely. CS roof standard, 50/50 weight

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/u...on-159858.html

The roof info is incorrect. Buyers will be able to choose between regular (with a sunroof even) and carbon roofs.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Artemis

G87 M2 gearbox choice will 99.99% be the one the G80 M3 / G82 M4:

+0.01%.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

+0.01%.

I left that fraction for the hypothetical event that gearbox manufacturer ZF would go out of business.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Artemis

I left that fraction for the hypothetical event that gearbox manufacturer ZF would go out of business.

But are you insured against a meteor strike?

[FoxyP]

Does anybody know if the carbon bucket seats from the M3/M4 will be available in the G87 M2?

[FoxyP]

I hope not, otherwise I am willing to wait for the Competition (but not the CS - too expensive)

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

But are you insured against a meteor strike?

The dinosaurs forgot to contact their broker...

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Mo Reviews

Is the S58 confirmed/rumoured for the OG G87?

Let's rephrase your question: what other BMW engine than the S58 do you think that BMW would deem appropriate for the OG G87 M2 ?

[BMWGirlFL]

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Let's rephrase your question: what other BMW engine than the S58 do you think that BMW would deem appropriate for the OG G87 M2 ?

The B58

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Mo Reviews

B58... Similar to the N55 in the OG F87 M2... they may seek to try and continue the trend?

It doesn't seem likely to me but hey they're using the B58 in the Supra and people are still pawing all over it.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Mo Reviews

Do you reckon they'd go straight in with a de-tuned S58? I really think it's going to be B58 to be honest.

They could beef up the B58 like they did with the M2 N55. I don't think M diehards would be happy with the B58 though. We'll find out soon enough, but not soon enough for people to pick up a new M2C instead. By then everyone will be stuck with used F87s

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Mo Reviews

B58... Similar to the N55 in the OG F87 M2... they may seek to continue the trend?

Originally Posted by Mo Reviews

Do you reckon they'd go straight in with a de-tuned S58? I really think it's going to be B58 to be honest.

Existing:

• B58B30O1: 285kW (382 hp | 387 ps) and 500 Nm (369 lb-ft);
• S58B30T0 (standard): 353 kW (473 hp | 480 ps) and 550 Nm (406 lb-ft);
• S58B30T0 (Competition): 375 kW (503 hp | 510 ps) and 650 Nm (479 lb-ft).

Imagine for a moment that you were a BMW engineer:

• do you prefer to squeeze even more out of the B58B30O1 or do you prefer detuning the S58B30T0, considering that there will be stronger G87 M2 variants to be developed too ?
• do you still have fond memories about the development hassle when the N55 of the F87 M2 needed to be replaced by a detuned S55 for the F87 M2 Competition (a later variant) ?

(source: here)

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Mo Reviews

For staters, the latter [B58] is a closed deck block (just like the S58, unlike in the case of the N55/S55) capable of around 800hp on stock internals, as has been proved time and time again in the 140i and J29 Zupr4 platforms, whilst the former runs an open deck block that has a habit of throwing rods at circa 600hp.

N55 (N55B30T0) features indeed an open deck layout, but the S55 (S55B30T0) is closed deck.

In the past BMWNA was mistaken by indicating in some press materials and on its website that the N55 sporting the M2 was closed deck. That mistake was rectified (see here).

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Mo Reviews

I'll rephrase, I meant the discrepancy between the N55 and the S55, where one was open and the other closed. In this scenario, both the B58 and the S58 are closed deck blocks.

That is correct.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Mo Reviews

B58... Similar to the N55 in the OG F87 M2... they may seek to continue the trend?

You would have to be a fool to fall for a b58 after the N55 to S55 fiasco. Maybe in some shitty world where they only have the MT on the b58 version. I think everyone would dump on them for that.

I suspect the G87 will be quite a bit more expensive and have a lot more options to up the price and capture the people who can't deal with the look and size of the g80/2.

I also expect BMW to hold back popular stuff like the bucket seats for the comp or CS version, CF roof probably again even though the rumor says no.

Adaptive dampers this time around? No idea.

No clue if it will get XDrive at some point.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Mo Reviews

Do you reckon they'd go straight in with a de-tuned S58? I really think it's going to be B58 to be honest.

I'll bet you money that it's the detuned s58 unless you have insider knowledge.