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View Poll Results: Which version of the G8X M3/M4 are you buying?
M3/M4 RWD 6MT 58 23.20%
M3/M4 Competition RWD ZF8 41 16.40%
M3/M4 Competition AWD ZF8 113 45.20%
Have not decided / not interested 38 15.20%
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      09-23-2020, 10:42 AM   #45
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RWD and MT for me at least preliminarily without driving them.

My porsche had PDK that was acceptable but it felt like a real motorsport gearbox. I'm certain the auto will be extremely fast/intuitive...but I think it's also going to feel seemlessly smooth. I don't know if I'm going to like that sensation. Def going to need to think on this.

The nurburgring test videos appear to have the car powersliding at times....really getting the rear end out. I can't imagine this is the AWD version unless it's rear wheel biased or adjustable? Any thoughts on that? If the AWD version can drive with oversteer, then I'll also think about it....but I can't do AWD cars that don't allow for predictable oversteer...
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RWD and MT for me at least preliminarily without driving them.

My porsche had PDK that was acceptable but it felt like a real motorsport gearbox. I'm certain the auto will be extremely fast/intuitive...but I think it's also going to feel seemlessly smooth. I don't know if I'm going to like that sensation. Def going to need to think on this.

The nurburgring test videos appear to have the car powersliding at times....really getting the rear end out. I can't imagine this is the AWD version unless it's rear wheel biased or adjustable? Any thoughts on that? If the AWD version can drive with oversteer, then I'll also think about it....but I can't do AWD cars that don't allow for predictable oversteer...
Albeit heavy, the F90 comp AWD allows for rear wheel biased driving without much fuss. It feels quite nice.

I don't like AWD as it adds lots of weight but the F90c feels extremely well tuned
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Albeit heavy, the F90 comp AWD allows for rear wheel biased driving without much fuss. It feels quite nice.

I don't like AWD as it adds lots of weight but the F90c feels extremely well tuned
I did a little more digging and I think I've discovered that the AWD system in the new M3 will be something you can adjust so that it's 100% RWD mode if you want, probably very similar to what you are talking about. Whether or not you can adjust the diff settings in between that (say 80/20 or 60/40, ect) I'm not sure on.

Still...something I'm going to have to think on as you said due to the extra weight. But it sounds like the driving characteristics will def. allow for oversteer
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I'm really most interested in how the M2 G87 and Supra GRMN with the S58 stack up...the M3/M4 are just too heavy and ugly personally but that engine is mega want.
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I did a little more digging and I think I've discovered that the AWD system in the new M3 will be something you can adjust so that it's 100% RWD mode if you want, probably very similar to what you are talking about. Whether or not you can adjust the diff settings in between that (say 80/20 or 60/40, ect) I'm not sure on.

Still...something I'm going to have to think on as you said due to the extra weight. But it sounds like the driving characteristics will def. allow for oversteer
Assuming it's the same as the M5, it'll have 3 modes:
-Regular which is already rear biased very clearly
-Sport which is extra rear biased
-100% rear
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Albeit heavy, the F90 comp AWD allows for rear wheel biased driving without much fuss. It feels quite nice.

I don't like AWD as it adds lots of weight but the F90c feels extremely well tuned
There are many valid objections to AWD as weight (less agility, higher tire and brake wear), less purity and predictability at limits etc. However when people say it’s not good for tracking period I have to disagree. Racing is by definition about being faster than the other guy and there is one common theme when AWD has been introduced in racing, total dominance followed by either penalties (added weights), full out ban or everyone has followed. This is often lost in talk about its just for people who can’t drive with snow tires or it’s just for stop light jockeys and similar comments.
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There are many valid objections to AWD as weight (less agility, higher tire and brake wear), less purity and predictability at limits etc. However when people say it’s not good for tracking period I have to disagree. Racing is by definition about being faster than the other guy and there is one common theme when AWD has been introduced in racing, total dominance followed by either penalties (added weights), full out ban or everyone has followed. This is often lost in talk about its just for people who can’t drive with snow tires or it’s just for stop light jockeys and similar comments.
It's not good for tracking in the sense that it significantly raises consumable cost.

When AWD is used in real racing, the driver does not need to worry about the cost of stopping 4000lb or cornering.

So if you're sponsored, a stage 1 600whp AWD M3 starts sounding pretty interesting
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It's not good for tracking in the sense that it significantly raises consumable cost.

When AWD is used in real racing, the driver does not need to worry about the cost of stopping 4000lb or cornering.

So if you're sponsored, a stage 1 600whp AWD M3 starts sounding pretty interesting
Yes agreed, as mentioned.
To be fair though more speed will usually cost you one way or another.
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Assuming it's the same as the M5, it'll have 3 modes:
-Regular which is already rear biased very clearly
-Sport which is extra rear biased
-100% rear
Thanks for cleaning this up, probably going to be the same. In which case, AWD really could be a contender for me..could come down to cost.

The MT/AT thing, I've been reading these ZF 8HP transmissions are really all the rage and not your old grandads slushbox. I don't know what the hell to do
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Thanks for cleaning this up, probably going to be the same. In which case, AWD really could be a contender for me..could come down to cost.

The MT/AT thing, I've been reading these ZF 8HP transmissions are really all the rage and not your old grandads slushbox. I don't know what the hell to do
Go drive an M5 , M8 or X3M and you’ll know.
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Thanks for cleaning this up, probably going to be the same. In which case, AWD really could be a contender for me..could come down to cost.

The MT/AT thing, I've been reading these ZF 8HP transmissions are really all the rage and not your old grandads slushbox. I don't know what the hell to do
They are great, I really enjoyed driving the M5c in mountain roads with the same tranny. Snappy, responsive, locks the torque converter all the time.

If your only use is the street I don't think you'll notice a negative difference. For the ones of us who are serious trackers, the ZF brings a whole bunch of possible issues into the mix that the DCT did not have.

You can pound on the DCT at the track for an hour at a time like a savage and have 0 issues, it is really impressive.
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Now that I understand the options compared to when this poll initially came out and I wondered why there was no base auto/DCT option. I don't quite understand the options though. I would have been perfectly fine with a 'base' auto version. I don't need the extra HP, but now if I want the auto I have to spend extra to get the competition. Or maybe some of that extra money is what I'd have spent on the auto transmission anyway and then they added some more to the price on top of that and I get the competition model. They sure are proud of the pricing starting at $75,000 though.
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I hope BMW offers 6MT for Competition Models down the line.
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I'm thinking sti edition. Hopefully the roof vortex generators will be available at release🤞🏼
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I hope BMW offers 6MT for Competition Models down the line.
Why? There is absolutely zero difference between a base and a comp G80 other than engine software... just get a base with any options you want and tune it to wherever hp map you want!
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^^ This ^^

I'll be doing the 6 speed manual M4 at launch, break it in for a few months, then get a mild tune and an exhaust. I went from the, I hate this fan thing, to meh, to seeing this new round of press and falling in love =). The color is where I am hung up on but and as more info keeps coming out I'll eventually decide on color.
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Minus a launch the RWD should be faster than the AWD in a roll correct? I live in Miami and I definitely don't need AWD and I rather have a lighter car.
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First time ever for me that I will not consider buying any version of this car until I have driven it.
Don't kid yourself...as soon as you start driving it it's gonna drive like a monster.
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