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      09-24-2020, 08:39 AM   #111
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The interior is amazing. Unfortunately for the first time I'm sad I moved to a state that doesn't have front license plates because the grill looks a little better broken up with a front plate.
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      09-24-2020, 08:55 AM   #112
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And I will repeat again, this car is beautiful... you are just not ready for it yet... give it a year to sink in

Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t the new 911 gain some weight? Yea, I am also upset by the weight of the car, but it’s not really BMWs fault if you think about it. People always want bigger, better and more tech and features... so in the end it’s kind of our fault. I also believe that if you fully option out your new 911 it will also hit close to 4000 pounds... regardless 911 is in another league and does not directly compete with an M4.
I must interject here. The 911 did gain a little bit, mosty because they added 2 inches in width, and added an 8th gear and got the car prepared for a future hybrid (no weight to add later for bracing, etc). It is still quite light by today’s standards. It is not even close to 4000 lbs though even in its heaviest configuration. The 911 Targa (as aforementioned) which has a full glass convertible roof, AWD, and a full load of luxury is only about 3700 lbs (I think the M4 vert with AWD will be 4400 lbs when all is said and done). A Carrera S is about 3350, an AWD 911 turbo is about 3550 by comparison as well. All still a far cry away from the 2 ton mark.
As further comparos go, an M2Competition is about 3650 lbs which is RWD and DCT so really goes to show you how light the 911 really is compriably to some smaller cars with AWD and no convertible motors.

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      09-24-2020, 09:21 AM   #113
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I wonder if the new carbon roof will begin to delaminate in 5 years like my F80's is now
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      09-24-2020, 11:05 AM   #114
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While I appreciate what you're saying I respectfully disagree. We shouldn't be giving a free pass to car manufactures for implementing a manual RWD car when the rest of the car is fundamentally poor. The other aspects you mentioned should still not get a pass. If Porsche can do it, so can BMW.

This is the result of poor design (and marketing) that hasn't been challenged internally. Refusing to challenge it externally because we all want the continued existence of manual/RWD cars only exasperates the problem further. BMW need to know they have screwed up and could have done a better job. It's our only hope to ensure they don't do it again.
I agree with you and few people here have been as critical of BMW as I have. But the news yesterday was so disheartening for me it got me thinking of the bigger picture you know?
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      09-24-2020, 12:18 PM   #116
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The carbon fibre seats look cool, but I’m betting you can’t get heated seats with those.
You can, actually. It was confirmed in one of the videos. You cannot get them ventillated.
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      09-24-2020, 02:26 PM   #117
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I found this review of the new G80/82 and it has a really good comparison to the previous gen and a better real world look at the car. I've got to say, the design is definitely growing on me the more I see it.


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I love his reviews... especially since this guy is big on AMG and gives a non-biased (not a fan boy) perspective
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      09-24-2020, 03:33 PM   #118
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This design is going to be extremely controversial. BMW strayed away from the evolution formula more with this car than anything they gave done in several decades. its a unnecessary risk BMW is taking with a cult following model. When companies do these "out of the box" styling moves, it seldom sticks to the entire line. For example the Porsche 996. That design took a massive hit in resale value and has never recovered in the popularity of the corrected 997. Press danced around its looks as much as they could but the real buyers and Porsche faithful gave Porsche the thumbs down and Porsche raced to correct the front end with the 997. Not many of the 911 faithful ever came around even after 2 decades later. On a mass market vehicle like the Subaru Tribeca, it killed its sales. I remember when Jeremy Clarkson called it a "pig in a sock" when it was initially released and that name stuck to the Tribeca. I think the new S-Class design is a disaster so maybe manufactures are testing the waters this year??? The new M3/M4 is a love it or hate it design and will probably not get many to change their initial opinion. I see too many direct similarities to the demographic and the 996. Those that love it and buy it is great as it will never be confused with another model.

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      09-24-2020, 04:04 PM   #119
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RBR has an exclusive video focused on the G80 M3 decked out in the M-performance parts.

Reposted in the M performance part thread but thought it made sense to post here to have all the M3/M4 youtube videos here for reference.


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      09-24-2020, 04:49 PM   #120
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Are those floating calipers in the rear? With 6-pot Carbon Ceramic in the front?
Yes. They change the rear caliper sue to the automatic brake.
Due to automatic brake? As in active cruise control and lane detection?
No, they remove emergency/ parking hand break, this is now activated by a push button. X3M/ X4M, M5 and M8 uses the same system.
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Very weird
Its supposed to be due to the introduction of the electronic parking brake, can't do that with the fixed calliper set up.
Or rather, BMW won't invest the money in making one that will (as Porsche have shown its possible...)
But yes, would have been nice to have kept it as it looks much nicer and remember it being a talking point in the F80/82 press release. Also can't imagine, rear axle wise, it's anything other than a step backwards in terms of performance. They've beefed up the front instead.

Edit: Sorry, didn't see someone had replied to you above with the same.
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      09-25-2020, 12:20 PM   #122
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I'm not sure what to make of published HP and torque values anymore. It's long been felt that the F97/98's values are, for various potential reasons, understated in the official publications.

The objective basis to support that contention lies in the numerous independent dynos (granted those vary based on Mnfr, etc...), as well as the actual quarter mile and top-end Autobahn data which, when plugged into the sim, don't match BMW's claims.

In a post back in 2019 in the Qtr mile thread [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=49 ] I shared the acceleration curve using BMW's numbers and it fell way short of capturing Nate's 1/4 mile times. Only when I plugged in his dyno numbers (roughly 550HP and 500lb-ft torque) did it almost superimpose. Although just a rough construct, it has performed well on a number of different vehicles over the years. Also, the rated top speed of 177 mph could only be obtained with Nate's numbers, otherwise it maxed out at 172mph (and Autobahn videos confirm that isn't correct).

Finally, if you look at the graph of Wt/HP vs 0-60mph times I put together back in 2017 [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=15 ], it also doesn't make sense using BMW's numbers, which yields more in the 9.1lb/HP ratio which should give around 3.9-4.0sec 0-60mph times. If you use 550HP instead, that ratio becomes 8.4lbs/HP, which falls nicely into the 3.6-3.7sec range, a value we are seeing routinely. Personally I have formal 1/4mile documentation of that 3.6s during a verified drag strip run.

So personally I wouldn't place too much stock in the published data. We just need to wait for some to get these in the real world and run them as we all are with our F97/98 models.
I think that on the engine dyno BMW use the engine will rate at their quoted HP and torque, they can't and don't just make the numbers up they adhere to DIN standards as an example.
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I wonder if the new carbon roof will begin to delaminate in 5 years like my F80's is now
Yikes! Is this a common issue? Hadn't come across this before but as F82 was possibly on the radar I was unaware of this happening down the line of ownership...
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