[Wills2]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

It's definitely heavier, but the real increase is nowhere near 500 lb. F80 Competition models were over 3600 lb. so the actual difference is about 200 lb. Still it is a significant increase, no doubt.

Nearer 400lbs to be fair.

[TanzaniteBlue]

Our M340i xDrive does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds every single time with LC. Wait for the iDrive boost gauge thing to hit 10 psi, and go.

Originally Posted by mkoesel

It's definitely heavier, but the real increase is nowhere near 500 lb. F80 Competition models were over 3600 lb. so the actual difference is about 200 lb. Still it is a significant increase, no doubt.

F80s are light cars when compared to rivals, mines 3620~ loaded minus CCBs. The Guilia Quadrofoglio is 200~ lbs heavier, and the C63 and RS5 were damn near 2 tons.

[Superjackson]

Awd m3 should do low 3 second 0-60 stock

[kc52ar]

Originally Posted by b1gtuna

Sorry not trying to start anything. I’m just eyeing on an M3 after finding my G20 330xi lacking punch. 0 - 60 mph (0 to 100 km/h) isn’t everything in a car, but I kind of expected a bit more from M3 (like, sub 4 seconds). What do you all think?

Car and Driver Testing of 0 - 60:

M340i 3.8 sec
M340i xDrive 3.5 sec
X3M Comp 3.3 sec

G80/G82 Competition with AWD should yield quicker time.

[GaoKS]

I think the new M3 will be faster than quoted, especially in AWD form.

However, as to my F82 and now having the M340i.. it really isn't that much slower to 60. As a matter of fact, if you put someone in both and just told them to flat foot it to 60 10 times.. I'd venture to guess the m340i would be faster more times than not. The torque is much more manageable and puts great power down without having to think too much about throttle control. The s55/S58 on RWD.. not so much.

[evanescent03]

Want 0-60? Wait for the AWD version. As someone mentioned, look at the X3M times ... the M4 should be even faster even if just slightly. Also... remember what happened when they put AWD in the M5/M6(8)? dropped like a full second-ish. AWD M3 will be a drag racing monster, especially when people start dumping in mods.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

Want 0-60? Wait for the AWD version. As someone mentioned, look at the X3M times ... the M4 should be even faster even if just slightly. Also... remember what happened when they put AWD in the M5/M6(8)? dropped like a full second-ish. AWD M3 will be a drag racing monster, especially when people start dumping in mods.

I guess it's a sign of the times that the M3 will be a drag monster as I'm old enough to remember when the E36 was regarded as one of the best handling cars in the world. That said it's a sign of the times as cars have become silly fast and even the 911 is more of a grand touring car as the Cayman is the Porsche you want to get if you are more interested in handling over straight line speed.

[sikotic]

I just realized the new Supra has similar 0-60 numbers as the M3 and M4 lol

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by jmg

Real M cars have never been about only 0-60 times. If you want that, get another car. M cars have been about the driving dynamics on a circuit. The M340i gets beat even by a less power full M2. No doubt the G80 M3/4 will demolish it on a track where it counts... if you care about that sort of thing. The G80 competition with the auto is sub 4 seconds. My F80 is sub 4 seconds... it's not the be all that end all.



Such a ridiculous thing they decided to do, make the M3/4 heavier than its predecessor.

0-60 is still so arbitrary to me. Most of the limitations are traction in this case...this thing is absolutely going to rip 50-70+ I think a good portion of the weight gain was due to changes in safety regulations and a good portion was adding additional engine braces so a portion of the increased weight is actually improving the driving experience at least

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Nearer 400lbs to be fair.

Its closer to 100 than 400 The weight figures everyone is comparing are done with completely different standard equipment. I think they recently cracked down on manufacturers using ridiculously stripped down cars to come up with the weight figure and BMW is being more modest than they should be kind of like their 0-60 times haha. Someone in another thread said the G80 was weighed with options like the power trunklid which is kind of ridiculous if true...is that an option that any of us is actually going to select? lol Seems like a lot of people are into the carbon seats as well which would probably save 40 lbs or so End of the day all things considered its probably more like 3650 lbs for the F80 comp vs high 3700s for the G80 comp in the real world

[dezzracer]

You know what the best thing about this new X drive M car is? Those pesky Tesla's are going DOWN in the streetlight wars. Lord... every Tesla driver out there including soccer moms have turned into im going to smoke you off the line boy racers. It's kind of funny...and irritating when they actually do smoke you. I don't even try anymore.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by jkap27

0-60 is still so arbitrary to me. Most of the limitations are traction in this case...this thing is absolutely going to rip 50-70+ I think a good portion of the weight gain was due to changes in safety regulations and a good portion was adding additional engine braces so a portion of the increased weight is actually improving the driving experience at least

I was hoping the weight gained by regulations would be offset my lightweight material technology and that in the least it would be the same as an F8X, optimistically lighter.

[sapphire.f80]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

You know what the best thing about this new X drive M car is? Those pesky Tesla's are going DOWN in the streetlight wars. Lord... every Tesla driver out there including soccer moms have turned into im going to smoke you off the line boy racers. It's kind of funny...and irritating when they actually do smoke you. I don't even try anymore.

AWD spec M3 will need to put down 3.2sec to 60mph, so as to compete with Model 3 Perf. Wondering if BMW will allow this to happen or try and protect the M5?

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I guess it's a sign of the times that the M3 will be a drag monster as I'm old enough to remember when the E36 was regarded as one of the best handling cars in the world. That said it's a sign of the times as cars have become silly fast and even the 911 is more of a grand touring car as the Cayman is the Porsche you want to get if you are more interested in handling over straight line speed.

As much as like being able to go fast on the straights, it's only a means of getting back to the twisty sections .... I also like being able to come out of a corner fast to keep the pesky miatas away haha ... handling feel and character are a lost art it seems... The M3 still should be a very good car compared to what's out there ... I doubt it will suck at a drivers car, and I stand by my comment that that it's still one of my favorite all rounders (track days and soccer practice) but we'll see.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by sapphire.f80

AWD spec M3 will need to put down 3.2sec to 60mph, so as to compete with Model 3 Perf. Wondering if BMW will allow this to happen or try and protect the M5?

Hard to compete with that instant torque ... i'm thinking 3.6 BMW claim but lower in real life .. excited to see once the Dragy/magazine stuff comes out..

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by jkap27

Its closer to 100 than 400 The weight figures everyone is comparing are done with completely different standard equipment. I think they recently cracked down on manufacturers using ridiculously stripped down cars to come up with the weight figure and BMW is being more modest than they should be kind of like their 0-60 times haha. Someone in another thread said the G80 was weighed with options like the power trunklid which is kind of ridiculous if true...is that an option that any of us is actually going to select? lol Seems like a lot of people are into the carbon seats as well which would probably save 40 lbs or so End of the day all things considered its probably more like 3650 lbs for the F80 comp vs high 3700s for the G80 comp in the real world

The quoted weight is the weight never mind the list of standard or optional equipment, you have to look at what it actually weighs. Why do posters try and create contorted edge cases involving opinions on what may or may not be optioned? It's Bizarre.

It's really simple as below:

F80 M3 DCT = 1635kg G80 M3 DCT = 1805kg 170kg difference or 374lbs as I said nearer to 400lbs.

[mcjohnsonsg]

Originally Posted by Wills2

The quoted weight is the weight never mind the list of standard or optional equipment, you have to look at what it actually weighs. Why do posters try and create contorted edge cases involving opinions on what may or may not be optioned? It's Bizarre.

It's really simple as below:

F80 M3 DCT = 1635kg G80 M3 DCT = 1805kg 170kg difference or 374lbs as I said nearer to 400lbs.

Because I don't think you are comparing like with like when you list your own numbers. The F80 weight you quote was probably based on the older regulations that allowed manufacturers to list weights based on very lightly spec'd cars. I believe those regulations have changed now, and BMW has to base its official weight for the G80 on a very heavily optioned car. That is why people are talking about options. If you want to compare F80 to G80, you really need to consider the weight of cars with similar options.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mcjohnsonsg

Because I don't think you are comparing like with like when you list your own numbers. The F80 weight you quote was probably based on the older regulations that allowed manufacturers to list weights based on very lightly spec'd cars. I believe those regulations have changed now, and BMW has to base its official weight for the G80 on a very heavily optioned car. That is why people are talking about options. If you want to compare F80 to G80, you really need to consider the weight of cars with similar options.

Back in 2014, Auto Motor und Sport weighed their test M3 with DCT at 1,625kg with full tank.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...hnische-daten/

[henrylee]

It weighs 3900!!

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by vampire81

i believe BMW is under estimating 0-60 times.
X3M is evidence

Are you saying they are not under estimating the M340i numbers then?

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by jkap27

Its closer to 100 than 400 The weight figures everyone is comparing are done with completely different standard equipment. I think they recently cracked down on manufacturers using ridiculously stripped down cars to come up with the weight figure and BMW is being more modest than they should be kind of like their 0-60 times haha. Someone in another thread said the G80 was weighed with options like the power trunklid which is kind of ridiculous if true...is that an option that any of us is actually going to select? lol Seems like a lot of people are into the carbon seats as well which would probably save 40 lbs or so End of the day all things considered its probably more like 3650 lbs for the F80 comp vs high 3700s for the G80 comp in the real world

Why don’t we just pull all seats out???
In the real world, the comp M3 has gained more than 300lbs going from F80 to G80

[gasnet]

Yes the M3 M4 has been weak lately. I can match an M3 with my Z4 M40i. Its not for me because i want a sports car and a full size sports sedan. But if a performance sedan is what i wanted i would just wait a little for the 600hp hybrid Alfa Romeo GTV coupe. If Bmw would offer the front wheels with 150 hp electric motor combined with the Rear Drivetrain that would be the ultimate in performance. Don't need much batteries as the front would only be for quick temporary uses.