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View Poll Results: If BMW were to offer all variants of G8x in the US, which model would you go with?
G80 M3 Sedan 192 16.81%
G81 M3 Touring 844 73.91%
G82 M4 Coupe 80 7.01%
G83 M4 Convertible 26 2.28%
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      09-14-2020, 10:23 AM   #287
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Anyway since the chances are so slim I will probably end up in a Mercedes or Audi dealer.


I watched this last night. Regardless of what bmw ultimately decides to do, there will be a fast wagon for me. Balls in their court.
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I watched this last night. Regardless of what bmw ultimately decides to do, there will be a fast wagon for me. Balls in their court.
Were you able to get an allocation for the Avant?
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Were you able to get an allocation for the Avant?
haha no i'm not that fortunate. The timing of the M3 touring (if it were to come to NA) would line up perfectly with when i'll be ready to upgrade. What I meant to say was that if the G81 doesn't come over, I think id be totally fine making do without it.
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What do you make of the poll? I am a Wagon fan and I am surprised by the results. Seemingly, the touring/wagon could have been more popular than the coupe.
I mean it's a poll within a thread headlined "petition for a wagon", probably the opposite of scientific... as biased as possible.

The real takeaway is that 500ish ppl have said they might buy one so if we assume some factor out for ppl that are aspirational (honest but can't make it work), then a % for those who are wishful (if I had the money) and a % for those who are just strait up lying (maybe only to themselves), if bmw brought 150 to the USA they probably could sell them all

Although Audi did that math and haven't sold out the rs6 avant
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haha no i'm not that fortunate. The timing of the M3 touring (if it were to come to NA) would line up perfectly with when i'll be ready to upgrade. What I meant to say was that if the G81 doesn't come over, I think id be totally fine making do without it.
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I mean it's a poll within a thread headlined "petition for a wagon", probably the opposite of scientific... as biased as possible.

The real takeaway is that 500ish ppl have said they might buy one so if we assume some factor out for ppl that are aspirational (honest but can't make it work), then a % for those who are wishful (if I had the money) and a % for those who are just strait up lying (maybe only to themselves), if bmw brought 150 to the USA they probably could sell them all

Although Audi did that math and haven't sold out the rs6 avant
I was curious what a BMW employee thought. It is strong result in favor of the wagon. I understand it is a small sample-size, but still a very strong result.

Personally, I would be fine with a carbo-box on top of a sedan if the price was that much higher for a wagon. I would also choose the sedan if the wagon were not offered in 6MT, but it seems there is a market for Enthusiast Wagons.
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Same here... F8x M2/M3/M4 all have their batteries in the trunk and I don't think it's any different for G8x models (of which sedan, coupe and cabrio are already homologated for the US market).
I don’t think you understand. The trunk is not considered the passenger compartment. (Unless you’re in the mafia).

For example in the X3, the battery is under the trunk floor, which I’m guessing counts as under the car’s floor and isn’t considered part of the passenger compartment.
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I don’t think you understand. The trunk is not considered the passenger compartment. (Unless you’re in the mafia).

For example in the X3, the battery is under the trunk floor, which I’m guessing counts as under the car’s floor and isn’t considered part of the passenger compartment.
Since you understand what he meant, please explain so that it's clear for everybody. When I say trunk, of course I mean the location under the trunk floor. The battery for all F8x models I mentioned above is located under the trunk floor. So, are you telling me G81 will have its battery located somewhere different than G80/G82/G83? I couldn't find any technical diagrams yet but pretty sure G80/G82/G83 will have their battery located in the trunk compartment under the trunk floor just like how it was for the F8X.

Edit: Before it causes any further confusion, just to clarify, both F87 M2 and F8x M3/M4 have their batteries located in the trunk compartment below the trunk floor level. M3/M4 battery is located on the right-hand side below the trunk floor while the M2 has its battery located pretty much in the middle below the floor. Regardless, my question stands. Is the battery of G81 located anywhere different than the G80/G82 battery? (If remember correctly, the claim in an earlier post was that G81 battery location required a redesign for G81 to be homologated in the US).

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I mean it's a poll within a thread headlined "petition for a wagon", probably the opposite of scientific... as biased as possible.

The real takeaway is that 500ish ppl have said they might buy one so if we assume some factor out for ppl that are aspirational (honest but can't make it work), then a % for those who are wishful (if I had the money) and a % for those who are just strait up lying (maybe only to themselves), if bmw brought 150 to the USA they probably could sell them all

Although Audi did that math and haven't sold out the rs6 avant
I was curious what a BMW employee thought. It is strong result in favor of the wagon. I understand it is a small sample-size, but still a very strong result.

Personally, I would be fine with a carbo-box on top of a sedan if the price was that much higher for a wagon. I would also choose the sedan if the wagon were not offered in 6MT, but it seems there is a market for Enthusiast Wagons.
Your analysis that it is a strong amount might not even be accurate we don't actually know the ratio of "dear anonymous internet friends: I will buy one" to "actual sales". These forums have a wide mix of quality thoughtful discussion with absolute nonsense. That said I tend to agree bmw would have no issue selling an allotment of a limited production M3 wagons.

Additionally, I assume bmw already, just from the pining and commentary over the years, knows for a fact they could sell 150 wagons in the USA of a 1000 car global allotment.

The USA is not missing out on the M3 wagon because bmwna can not sell its share of the 1000 M3 wagons.... its missing out because they can't sell any 330i wagons
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Your analysis that it is a strong amount might not even be accurate we don't actually know the ratio of "dear anonymous internet friends: I will buy one" to "actual sales". These forums have a wide mix of quality thoughtful discussion with absolute nonsense. That said I tend to agree bmw would have no issue selling an allotment of a limited production M3 wagons.

Additionally, I assume bmw already, just from the pining and commentary over the years, knows for a fact they could sell 150 wagons in the USA of a 1000 car global allotment.

The USA is not missing out on the M3 wagon because bmwna can not sell its share of the 1000 M3 wagons.... its missing out because they can't sell any 330i wagons

As the car gets bigger the allure of the coupe might be more suited to the 2 series. The proportions of the wagon just look better, and yes it is small sample size but of 656 people with the question "which model of G8X would you go with" and only 30 chose the coupe.

Small, anonymous, internet friends, etc... but that is an amazingly small group of enthusiast that would choose the coupe, IMO.

I was asking the question as a larger question about broader market trends....Maybe wagons will start to be an SUV alternative, possibly BMW should have brought G21 wagon to market.
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Since you understand what he meant, please explain so that it's clear for everybody. When I say trunk, of course I mean the location under the trunk floor. The battery for all F8x models I mentioned above is located under the trunk floor. So, are you telling me G81 will have its battery located somewhere different than G80/G82/G83? I couldn't find any technical diagrams yet but pretty sure G80/G82/G83 will have their battery located in the trunk compartment under the trunk floor just like how it was for the F8X.
I think you still don’t get it. The F8x trunk is completely separate from the passenger compartment. That’s why the location is irrelevant as far as the US rules are concerned.

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Edit: Before it causes any further confusion, just to clarify, both F87 M2 and F8x M3/M4 have their batteries located in the trunk compartment below the trunk floor level. M3/M4 battery is located on the right-hand side below the trunk floor while the M2 has its battery located pretty much in the middle below the floor. Regardless, my question stands. Is the battery of G81 located anywhere different than the G80/G82 battery? (If remember correctly, the claim in an earlier post was that G81 battery location required a redesign for G81 to be homologated in the US).
G81 most likely has the battery on the right side, covered by panel on the side of the trunk, same as the sedan. I’m guessing it may be considered part of the passenger compartment since the X3’s location under the panel in the middle of the floor seems to be fine for US homologation.
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Since you understand what he meant, please explain so that it's clear for everybody. When I say trunk, of course I mean the location under the trunk floor. The battery for all F8x models I mentioned above is located under the trunk floor. So, are you telling me G81 will have its battery located somewhere different than G80/G82/G83? I couldn't find any technical diagrams yet but pretty sure G80/G82/G83 will have their battery located in the trunk compartment under the trunk floor just like how it was for the F8X.
I think you still don't get it. The F8x trunk is completely separate from the passenger compartment. That's why the location is irrelevant as far as the US rules are concerned.

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Edit: Before it causes any further confusion, just to clarify, both F87 M2 and F8x M3/M4 have their batteries located in the trunk compartment below the trunk floor level. M3/M4 battery is located on the right-hand side below the trunk floor while the M2 has its battery located pretty much in the middle below the floor. Regardless, my question stands. Is the battery of G81 located anywhere different than the G80/G82 battery? (If remember correctly, the claim in an earlier post was that G81 battery location required a redesign for G81 to be homologated in the US).
G81 most likely has the battery on the right side, covered by panel on the side of the trunk, same as the sedan. I'm guessing it may be considered part of the passenger compartment since the X3's location under the panel in the middle of the floor seems to be fine for US homologation.
That's all I wanted to know. So the battery location in G81 is a problem even though it's at the exact same place as G80/G82 and the reason is because the trunk is considered as part of the passenger area for the wagons/SUVs. Still curious why this is the case though. There is a divider in wagons and SUVs to fully isolate the trunk from the passenger compartment. Similarly, I can fold down my seats in a sedan/coupe and the trunk space can become a part of the passenger area again.
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That's all I wanted to know. So the battery location in G81 is a problem even though it's at the exact same place as G80/G82 and the reason is because the trunk is considered as part of the passenger area for the wagons/SUVs. Still curious why this is the case though. There is a divider in wagons and SUVs to fully isolate the trunk from the passenger compartment. Similarly, I can fold down my seats in a sedan/coupe and the trunk space can become a part of the passenger area again.
There are probably specific requirements in the FMVSS (e.g. FMVSS 208) or how it is interpreted by the NHTSA that require different treatment. I don't know nearly enough about that to pin-point the exact regulation(s) that are require this though.

In any case, no one said that the FMVSS has to be logical or make sense. If that were the case, we would have the adaptive beam headlight functionality fully enabled in the US right now.
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Thumbs up Sign me up for an m3 touring!!!!!

I will buy an M3 touring the second it is announced.

BMW, please still make the roof out of CF.
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The M3 Touring would look badass in Black 🖤 with rear window privacy glass!
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I think you still don’t get it. The F8x trunk is completely separate from the passenger compartment. That’s why the location is irrelevant as far as the US rules are concerned.
My E91 has the battery in the right rear lower "trunk" location identical to the E90/92/93. This is also where it is located in the F31 which was last made up to June 2019 for USA market.

Are you saying something changed in the past year about regulations pertaining to battery location?
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I'll only consider the G81. hopefully with those garish M-Performance parts.

im in no rush to get myself into the G80 right now. maybe if we get final confirmation that the touring won't be available in the US.
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I'm trying to justify having a 5thdoor in the back to make up for whatever the hell is going on up front. I can't decide if a touring makes this generation an easier pill to swallow.
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There she 🦄 is boys and girls, am I NO way 🤢 into these new trendy fruity colors 🌈.

The M3 Touring would look badass in Black 🖤 with rear window privacy glass!

I want one, Alpine White with a 6MT.
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Yeah, this poll seems to indicate that a lot trendy people will like the grill... especially with an old fashioned station wagon attached to it. WTF? Any chance I can get some M Performance vinyl wood grain on the sides of that thing?

That should flatten SUV sales back to less than 50% of BMW sales in the U.S.
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Maybe I’m completely out of touch. I just don’t see a performance station wagon selling more than a pittance in the US market.
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