[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by domino_z

In Australia, these headlights on lci have matrix, just like m2 with same single projector

It’s not actually a projector in the same sense as a hid projector, there is a multi led array behind the lense

As for cars I’ve owned with a single lense/projector with matrix

Audi rs3 8v, defender v8, Audi s5 had both matrix and laser in a single projector - see pic below, you can actually see the multi led array projector onto the headlight cover

US not having matrix on the lci headlight is not due to a limitation on the hardware, but you’re regulations

I'm aware these issues are due to regulations, but the lights in the LCI model do not look to have a mutli-projector setup in a single housing, as the Audis you mentioned do.

They may have a single lens, but there are multiple projectors inside of that single housing so they can move around and create a "grid" or matrix of where to and not to shine line.



The new LCI lights do not look big enough to have any meaningful amount of projectors to do a similar kind of "matrix" system

Even in the non-LCI, there were only about 2-3 "positions" each light housing could accommodate to since they were only using 1 or two different projectors in each housing.

[domino_z]

Originally Posted by Berzerker

I'm aware these issues are due to regulations, but the lights in the LCI model do not look to have a mutli-projector setup in a single housing, as the Audis you mentioned do.

They may have a single lens, but there are multiple projectors inside of that single housing so they can move around and create a "grid" or matrix of where to and not to shine line.



The new LCI lights do not look big enough to have any meaningful amount of projectors to do a similar kind of "matrix" system

Even in the non-LCI, there were only about 2-3 "positions" each light housing could accommodate to since they were only using 1 or two different projectors in each housing.

That’s an old way of doing matrix

That diagram is from an Audi c7 a6 from 2011

My f80 had a similar matrix setup with multi LEDs in a reflector housing

Headlight tech has since advanced

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by domino_z

That’s an old way of doing matrix

That diagram is from an Audi c7 a6 from 2011

My f80 had a similar matrix setup with multi LEDs in a reflector housing

Headlight tech has since advanced

Do you have any info on how it works now? I'm curious how you'd do it with a single projector

[domino_z]

[QUOTE=Berzerker;31002632]Do you have any info on how it works now? I'm curious how you'd do it with a single projector

Have a look at diagram I posted in my previous post of the s5 headlight

As for what’s inside the projector, up to 100 tiny LEDs

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by domino_z

Have a look at diagram I posted in my previous post of the s5 headlight

As for what’s inside the projector, up to 100 tiny LEDs

Seems like that "light range and adjustment mechanism" is how they do it now. Something like a microshutter system? I believe that's how it works on the F/G8x.

[domino_z]

If you really want to freak out, the latest tech is digital or HD matrix

Porsche and Audi are using this tech on their latest models

Whereas previous they could fit up to 100 micro LEDs in a single projector, with HD LEDs they are width of a human hair and they can package up to 16,000 in a single projector - not only can it do matrix but it can also project lane markings/arrows on the road and cool startup animations

https://youtu.be/hDJi240E_ZA?si=kRUaDQdhhfjPucgs

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by domino_z

If you really want to freak out, the latest tech is digital or HD matrix

Porsche and Audi are using this tech on their latest models

Whereas previous they could fit up to 100 micro LEDs in a single projector, with HD LEDs they are width of a human hair and they can package up to 16,000 in a single projector - not only can it do matrix but it can also project lane markings/arrows on the road and cool startup animations

https://youtu.be/hDJi240E_ZA?si=kRUaDQdhhfjPucgs

I had seen some of that on the E-Tron GT, but, nothing this extensive. This really gives you a glimpse of whats possible, and Im sure this tech will come out on the higher BMW models, first.

[TheFanatic]

Originally Posted by domino_z

Audi this, audi that

how about you stop talking about audi on a bmw forum and give us some actual information about what bmw is doing? As far as every post I've seen on the new headlights, they're basic, cheap and have worse range.

do you have links showing otherwise like you do for audi?

I just had to cancel my m3 order because the dealer ordered the wrong color and said it's too late to change it. so now I'm stuck with the cheap looking headlights

[biggripper]

Originally Posted by TheFanatic

how about you stop talking about audi on a bmw forum and give us some actual information about what bmw is doing? As far as every post I've seen on the new headlights, they're basic, cheap and have worse range.

do you have links showing otherwise like you do for audi?

I just had to cancel my m3 order because the dealer ordered the wrong color and said it's too late to change it. so now I'm stuck with the cheap looking headlights

My man you might want to consider a more courteous tone. The guy is just sharing his experience about headlights. He also has a 1200+ rep on this forum vs your 112.

[domino_z]

Originally Posted by TheFanatic

how about you stop talking about audi on a bmw forum and give us some actual information about what bmw is doing? As far as every post I've seen on the new headlights, they're basic, cheap and have worse range.

do you have links showing otherwise like you do for audi?

I just had to cancel my m3 order because the dealer ordered the wrong color and said it's too late to change it. so now I'm stuck with the cheap looking headlights

Nothing to report bro, as per my previous posts bmw are using multi led array behind a single projector for matrix as most manufacturers do - it doesn’t matter whether it’s a pic of an Audi projector or otherwise, they all just buy the parts off hella, valeo etc

With advent of digital matrix, laser tech is dead in water, hence why nobody is offering it on new models anymore

Now go to your safe space, you’re goin to be triggered

If you want to discuss headlight tech and see where tech is heading, Audi is manufacturer to do so

Audi have always been one of first manufacturers to bring new headlight tech to market, they were first with led drl, first with bi-led, first with matrix, first with laser and now first with hd

[mirob]

Originally Posted by domino_z

Nothing to report bro, as per my previous posts bmw are using multi led array behind a single projector for matrix as most manufacturers do - it doesn’t matter whether it’s a pic of an Audi projector or otherwise, they all just buy the parts off hella, valeo etc

With advent of digital matrix, laser tech is dead in water, hence why nobody is offering it on new models anymore

Now go to your safe space, you’re goin to be triggered

If you want to discuss headlight tech and see where tech is heading, Audi is manufacturer to do so

Audi have always been one of first manufacturers to bring new headlight tech to market, they were first with led drl, first with bi-led, first with matrix, first with laser and now first with hd

I thought BMW brought laser headlights to the market first on the i8. Vividly remember them rushing it to the market so that they can make that claim. Maybe I'm remembering wrong though...

[domino_z]

Originally Posted by mirob

I thought BMW brought laser headlights to the market first on the i8. Vividly remember them rushing it to the market so that they can make that claim. Maybe I'm remembering wrong though...

first gen r8 lmx

[utsteve98]

I get the sense no one is giving the new headlights a chance. Yes, maybe they don’t look as cool as the lamp on laser lights, but are they really a downgrade in functionality?

From what I can gather, the problem with laser lights are they aren’t adaptive and can’t adjust brightness. Sure, they are super bright, but you can get somewhat blinded from the reflection off road signs (safety issue). The new led matrix technology should have the ability to lower brightness of individual LEDs pointing at signs for anti-dazzle. Also, today’s LEDs are pretty darn powerful.

I’d love to see a video or direct comparisons of the new lights versus the older ones before dismissing the new lights as a downgrade. Has anyone seen such a video yet?

[mirob]

Originally Posted by domino_z

first gen r8 lmx

i8 beat the LMX by a month+ with special customer deliveries. Although, it's arguable who went into production first.

[TheFanatic]

Originally Posted by biggripper

My man you might want to consider a more courteous tone. The guy is just sharing his experience about headlights. He also has a 1200+ rep on this forum vs your 112.

I do not care about rep. I had hoped a thread directly talking about the new headlight would have been more relevant than a page and a half of audi promotions and no discussion about the actual topic. I agree with him that Audi leads in headlight tech, but BMW, Mercedes and Audi all use tech differently and this isn't an Audi page.

I also had found out the day prior that my m3 order was ordered the wrong color and that it's too late to get an individual color in pre lci. I had planned on avoiding these headlights completely.
Did some of that frustration spill over unfairly? absolutely. however my point is still valid

[lago1974]

I may be in the minority here but I got over the corona halos a while back when the new M2 was unveiled. While I don’t care for the styling of the M2 very much, I DO like the lights. I plan to put in an order for a 25 G80 and I’m excited about the LCI changes - including the headlights.

While I agree with others who said the style of the DRL has become more common looking and less distinctive, I do think they are more modern and the corona style will look dated rather soon.

[Mrproper86]

The led headlights on the 2024 7 series are absolutely amazing. When I placed my m3 order I didn’t even bother with the laser lights due the awesome led’s on my wife’s 7. I think these lights will be just fine , and as usual, most will complain just like with the grill on the g80 back then.

[Endless619]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

I just think the design of the current angel eyes is getting old. If you think about it that way, maybe it makes more sense. After the angel eyes, where does the design language go from there? Well they figured it out. Now this is the new angel eye, for the foreseeable future.

If it’s not broke don’t fix it.

[Endless619]

Originally Posted by lago1974

I may be in the minority here but I got over the corona halos a while back when the new M2 was unveiled. While I don’t care for the styling of the M2 very much, I DO like the lights. I plan to put in an order for a 25 G80 and I’m excited about the LCI changes - including the headlights.

While I agree with others who said the style of the DRL has become more common looking and less distinctive, I do think they are more modern and the corona style will look dated rather soon.

Not true.

The 2025 LEDs already look dated. Hard pass. When I see them I think of older BMW generations.

The taillights are a different animal. Although I like pre lci and CS ones about the same.

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by Endless619

If it’s not broke don’t fix it.

Unfortunately, Porsche hasn’t delineated very far when it comes to 911 design language, but they manage to keep the car looking fresh with every new generation, without ever changing the overall design language of the original 911s.

[Orjan]

From the press release

Modern design accents: New headlight design, taillights featuring laser technology.

The redesigned headlights give the front end of both the new BMW M4 Coupé and the new BMW M4 Convertible a modern look. The inside of the LED headlights, now a standard option, is even more distinctively structured. They also feature further developments in their functionality. Both the low and high beam are now produced by the same LED module. Two vertical LED units, each aligned in an arrowhead shape, assume the function of position and daytime running lights as well as direction indicators. The technology-oriented design of these new light sources provides for a sophisticated and progressive look.

Adaptive LED headlights with anti-glare matrix high beam are available as optional features. They are recognisable by the blue inserts and feature an urban light and cornering light function. Using the urban light function ensures optimised illumination of the roadside areas when travelling at low speeds on roads identified by the navigation data as built-up areas. The low beam function, however, is only activated when a speed of 22 mph has been reached. Furthermore, in conjunction with the adaptive LED headlights M Shadow Line lights featuring dark accents inside are also available.

LCI headlight on 440i (same on M4)

[domino_z]

New lights look great, more aggressive and more integrated with vertical grille and lower duct