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It’s hard to buy a bad car now. It’s only when manufacturers build it to a price point, or get caught out of a multi-year refresh/model cycle, that you notice big differences. Similar technology exists in cars of the same class, that’s why the M3, RS4, C63 and Giulia perform so similarly. In 1995 it was a very different story.
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They're in an earlier model if they chose to stay with the brand. Many E92 M3 owners, even plenty who switched back after owning an F8X.
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Base- rwd/xdrive 6mt/auto Comp- xdrive 6mt/auto I look at it like this, BMW went out of their way to obfuscate the information in their systems to prevent the types of leaks our resident insider can access which means they have something planned they don't want spoiled. (If you read ynguldyn responses to questions they basically took out all the detail and just left placeholders for base and comp) If they were planning on cutting the manual and rwd they would let those leaks sit out there to build acceptance and soften the blow on the traditionalist base when the final details are released. |
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The fact is, AWD is starting to become a necessity. One of the biggest flaws of the F80/F82 was that they just couldn't get power down because torque came on way too quickly. Depending on how an AWD system is tuned, you can still have RWD fun. The M5 goes 0-60 in sub 3 seconds because it can grip and go.
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Is Porsche launching a new manual GT4 as a special non-profit project for enthusiasts? Why did BMW decide to offer the M2 CS with a manual? Over the last five years, I have had many conversations with other F80 owners, “what made you get the F80”.....”It was the only car I could find with four doors and a manual”......there is a large market that people take for granted. Many who buy X cars for their spouse. |
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One only needs to read the forums to observe that BMW attracts a different type of buyer now (unfortunately for the BMW enthusiasts).
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How much further can they go, anyway, in terms of 0-60 times for example? Are we hoping the J series M3 can go 0-60 in less than a second?
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I still love my CS in DCT (night and day versus a base or comp F80 in handling). Its the first ever auto car ive owned and Im 37. My lease was up and I was 15k miles over my allotment. To stick with a manual I would have had to make a terrible financial decision.
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I suspect that competition will be delayed if anything and perhaps a power/reliability issue was found at 500 hp.
Pure is consistent with motorrad naming conventions and has been positively received. Could also be M3 base isn't competitive with Camaro and 911 or whatever they set as competition. |
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Most here couldn't handle 700 lbs/ft torque RWD. I love my S85 for it's easy going torque and crazy power. 700lbs/ft of torque is just insane and I'd buy an Audi over a RWD M5 if I have to have that style of engine. I'm just not going to take a $110k vehicle to the track when it's got INDYCAR levels of power and a less serious aero situation. I realize the weight helps a lot but I know what I can handle and I'd feel much more comfortable with AWD on my side to help control the torque. |
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The writing was everywhere anyway. Anyone praising the ZF8 saying it's ok to be in the M5 should be slapped. Up charged for a cheap commuter transmission so BMW can report profits while these electric models are in development but not being sold. Here's the picture we have to hope for: Electric cars take over as the 328i of BMW and make BMW a bunch of money so the M division can justify expenses for things like DCT, SMG, adjustable brakes Manuals, aero, etc. Right now the current M cars will be remembered as the worst and most out of touch philosophically with what an M car should be: Motorsport on the road. Either that or electric flops and BMW does a 90s era Porsche style of barebones crap interiors to try to scrape back to normal profits. Good News is electric will flop or succeed and become the Cayenne of BMW allowing funding for amazing cars or it will be the Lotus Evora of BMW and flop so bad BmW goes through drastic reorganization in order to recover. Basically, everyone's complaints about cheap interiors, commuter focused chassis, and lame M tech is admitted by BMW at this point. The good news is we will be through the woods by 2025 for better or worse. Either that or we all find a new start up brand inspired by 80s bmw and Porsche and the whole thing starts over. Seems to be the general industry trend. Look at Chanel purses. Used to be a fashion icon, now it's seen as, pardon, cheap Asian wear. The fashion elite moved on a long time ago to smaller businesses as Chanel makes clothes to sell for money instead of to make a statement. Different priorities and all that. |
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I don't know that early iterations of the the E92 and E46 received the same questionable treatment. Maybe, but it was pretty disappointing to me as a buyer. |
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M3 hasn't really been below 3k lbs since e30. And really hasn't gained much weight at all. I'd say 3600 lbs should be a hard cap and 3900 for the M5 but i also realize my M5 is super comfy and I'm not exactly willing to change that atm.
If you want a 2700 lbs car you can buy a Lotus or even a GT3 M6. BMW would love people to buy race cars for sporting purposes but nobody wants them. It'd be a lot easier to make them legal for the road than all the money this board dumps into making their BMWs trackable or even on ramp racers. The weight reduction is always attractive but the plastic, aging engine platforms, and slush boxes are far worse crimes. |
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