[ASAP]

Originally Posted by mcjohnsonsg

Why would you be expecting 3,700lbs for the AWD version when we have known since early 2019 that the M340xdrive is a few pounds shy of 4,000lbs. Seems unlikely that they would have cut 300lbs from the M340.

No one expected the awd model to weight 3700 lbs, however i felt the absolute borderline limit of weight for the rwd would have been 3700 lbs, and thats w minimal weight reduction. It seems to me weight was a complete afterthought in this car.

[M3nford]

Originally Posted by Avaley

Weight is relative, power to weight and the suspension changes to improve cornering are imperative.

Weight is definitely not RELATIVE when it comes to the handling dynamic and characteristics, just ask Gordon Murray.

If that statement were true, they could build a 5000lbs coupe and just put in a 500hp engine in it and it'll still drive like a E46 M3.

But I agree let's make a decision when customers drive it, not reviewers, cause they are never an accurate judge.
The reviewers raved about the F90 M5 and we all know how that turned out.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by GhostyM

What the hell BMW.

First, the looks - Hard pass

Then I read the specs to HOPEFULLY recover...

3900lbs? With a dad-bod driver like myself, I'd be nearing almost 4,100lbs. The F8x LOST weight going from the E9x platform (even if by not a lot)

ZF Auto? (Great in M5/M8 but it's a TT V8 with 600tq so expected)

Anyone else completely disappointed by the weight figure?

EDIT: I just realized that they announced the F8x M3 at 3350+ lbs and real world weight was 3560. If that same math applies.. this could be a 4,300lb car....

absolutely disapointing!

bmw made major investements in cf manufacuring as demonstrated by I8 and I3. It would have been great if they passed some of that tech and material engineering into their iconic product.

The weight and choice of auto xmsn shows they were on the mission to cut cost and hope the customers would only look at hp and seat design. The car is absolutely huge and heavy. We will see if there is any driver feedback when reviews get published.

My expectation was a car that is lighter than f80. I have no interest even in checking it out no matter the performance on paper. Even E90 had weight issues and this new one will be much havier yet. Trully disappinting!

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

absolutely disapointing!

bmw made major investements in cf manufacuring as demonstrated by I8 and I3. It would have been great if they passed some of that tech and material engineering into their iconic product.

The weight and choice of auto xmsn shows they were on the mission to cut cost and hope the customers would only look at hp and seat design. The car is absolutely huge and heavy. We will see if there is any driver feedback when reviews get published.

My expectation was a car that is lighter than f80. I have no interest even in checking it out no matter the performance on paper. Even E90 had weight issues and this new one will be much havier yet. Trully disappinting!

The M2C is there for those who don’t want a heavier more powerful car. As you say the M3 left the light and nimble car segment decades ago. It’s strategy has evolved ( as in always been) into making equal leaps in daily family car practicality and track performance and never been trying to retain the E30’s footprint and weight.

Absolutely no one should be surprised by this, disappointed, yes but not surprised.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by Avaley

Weight is relative, power to weight and the suspension changes to improve cornering are imperative.

I want this car to be 3600 lbs like everyone else, but the power to weight is better than any other car in BMWs lineup to date (other than maybe a tuned M2CS) and guarantee the 80wtq or so improvement over the prior gen will more than offset the weight gain.

Feel free to prove me wrong here but the single digit percent gain in weight i would guess is offset by the double digit percent gain in torque...

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1760674

Not sure what you mean by weight is relative but it impacts all aspects of vehicle performance. You can't manipulate physics. How about braking, heat, wheel and brake sizes, and stress on suspension components?

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by John.K

Not sure how far along the next RS 5 is in the development stage (I'm sure the chassis and main structural components are all locked in now). But they have this giant opportunity now to beat G8x on weight....

If I was the chief engineer there, having seen these weight figures, i would do anything and everything now to claim the throne from BMW - by spending all my resources and R&D on weight reduction.

As someone who wants AWD, I will certainly now consider Audi RS vs G8x. The Audi looks nicer inside/out and will not weigh more. Surely the BMW will drive better but I don't track so will that be enough to cover up the looks? The comparison has tightened far more than in the past.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by solstice

The M2C is there for those who don't want a heavier more powerful car. As you say the M3 left the light and nimble car segment decades ago. It's strategy has evolved ( as in always been) into making equal leaps in daily family car practicality and track performance and never been trying to retain the E30's footprint and weight.

Absolutely no one should be surprised by this, disappointed, yes but not surprised.

The M2 isn't significantly lighter than the F8X. The worry is that the size increase and hence a weight increase will follow the M2 because that's what the lowest common denominator consumer wants.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by jmg

The M2 isn't significantly lighter than the F8X. The worry is that the size increase and hence a weight increase will follow the M2 because that's what the lowest common denominator consumer wants.

Valid concern for sure. Maybe M goes after the mini next to fill the gap...

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by solstice

The M2C is there for those who don't want a heavier more powerful car. As you say the M3 left the light and nimble car segment decades ago. It's strategy has evolved ( as in always been) into making equal leaps in daily family car practicality and track performance and never been trying to retain the E30's footprint and weight.

Absolutely no one should be surprised by this, disappointed, yes but not surprised.

Well I may be an outlier but am very surpised and disappointed at the size and weight at this price point. I thought m5 would cover this market segment and that f80 size and weight would establish max vehicle dimensions +/- 50lbs. This is year 2020 with access to lighter materials and robots. Also, we should be developing more enviro friendly vehicles and machines instead of heavy beasts.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by jmg

The M2 isn't significantly lighter than the F8X. The worry is that the size increase and hence a weight increase will follow the M2 because that's what the lowest common denominator consumer wants.

we know they put shackles on it and detuned it ... large heavy brakes and wheels. If you replace those there is significant weight decrease. The m2 racing config is the one.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by solstice

Valid concern for sure. Maybe M goes after the mini next to fill the gap...

The Mini JCW is okay. Definitely NOT an appropriate track replacement being a FWD 3800 lb hatch.

Edit - my mistake. That was for the Countryman. Clubman is 3450lbs.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by jmg

The Mini JCW is okay. Definitely NOT an appropriate track replacement being a FWD 3800 lb hatch.

Dang, 3800 lb. not so mini...

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by Montaver

They threw enthusiasts a bone in the US with the manual, but it will be the same manual from the F8X cars. There is zero chance they spent any development cash on improving it.

You can turn off auto-rev match now, so it's obviously not the same one.

Actually, the 6MT has apparently seen major changes (though die-hard track people probably won't appreciate them much), see the posts from Lemetier in https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...1750591&page=1 - mostly pages 1 and 2 and especially https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...4&postcount=35

It's not clear whether that all goes into the M3/M4 from launch but they clearly did some R&D on the 6MT.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by solstice

Dang, 3800 lb. not so mini...

Oops my mistake. That was for the Countryman J W not the Clubman JCW. I keep getting the names mixed up. Clubman is only 3450 lbs. not bad. Still not a fan of FWD.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Avaley

As someone with both the C63S and an S58 X5M, i want to hear your opinion on how you think a S58 performs in a 4k lbs package similar to your C63!

S58 X5M? You mean S63... AMG did a great job imo. They tried hard to hide the weight for example pretty extreme front camber provides a very good turn in. These close to or over 4000 lbs cars just won't feel nimble, period.

I also prefer the 9 speed AMG transmission over the M 8 speed. 9 speed almost feels and shifts like DCT. 8 speed units in M cars feel too pedestrian. And to all the people claiming how great DCT was in M3/M4, I beg to differ. They completely softened it via tuning. M4 CS was perfect imo.

[SEAT TIME RULES]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Unfortunately the M2 will weigh the same as the M3 like we saw in the F8X generation

I'm sure BMW will use the S58 for the M2 which is cool, as a simple ECU tune will take you to 600whp which is quite good!

The G87 Platform M2 will have a slightly detuned S58 and will be built on the Z4/Supra chassis. 6 Speed or ZF Auto.

The Z4 M40 curb weigh is 3466-3501.

The chassis is great and using the above weights its going to be 25-75lbs heavier..

I have a 2020 M2C MT n/roof and with some simple weight reduction items, I'm under 3400 lbs. When done if will be close to a 3300 lb street/track car. I've been tracking my cars for 30+ years....

BMW is working real hard to lose its pure enthusiast base. The new M3/M4 is a good example of that. Weight is inexcusable, overall size of the car now makes it more a "GT" than a nimble fun sports car. I owned both an E36 & E46 M3 and the latest car is huge compared to them..

And the snout of the new car is beyond FUGLY.

I'd either grab a 2021 F87 M2, or 2020 CS, or wait for the G87 platform to arrive a year + from now.

BTW if anyone is looking for a M2 CS allocation I have one left at my dealership here in S NH. PM if interested...

[Habber]

If weight is such an issue, get the M2 which is more like the previous M cars of the past.

I think people like to complain just to be heard when in reality, there are plenty of options from both BMW and the competition.

[mcjohnsonsg]

Originally Posted by Habber

If weight is such an issue, get the M2 which is more like the previous M cars of the past.

I think people like to complain just to be heard when in reality, there are plenty of options from both BMW and the competition.

Because some us need 4 doors, so the M2 isn't an option.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by solstice

The M2C is there for those who don’t want a heavier more powerful car. As you say the M3 left the light and nimble car segment decades ago. It’s strategy has evolved ( as in always been) into making equal leaps in daily family car practicality and track performance and never been trying to retain the E30’s footprint and weight.

Absolutely no one should be surprised by this, disappointed, yes but not surprised.

The M2C is heavier than my M4cs, just sayin'...

[solstice]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The M2C is heavier than my M4cs, just sayin'...

I don’t think the hate here is for your car

[Habber]

Originally Posted by mcjohnsonsg

Because some us need 4 doors, so the M2 isn't an option.

I get that, but 4 door cars won't be coming on the light so I don't know why there are such high expectations for family sedans that people want to take to the track.

[mcjohnsonsg]

Originally Posted by Habber

I get that, but 4 door cars won't be coming on the light so I don't know why there are such high expectations for family sedans that people want to take to the track.

And I agree with that, but it isn't what you said. You said get the m2 if your worried about weight. Not an option for me. And the weight is probably the one concern is have with the new G8X. For context, I have a G20 M340Xdrive, so am not really surprised by the weight but was hoping it would be about 100lb to 150lb lighter for the M3.