[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

The L should mean lightweight. They better do some serious weight reduction. I don't recall the GTS weight compared the old M4. Expect less sound deadening, maybe even stereo/AC delete options.

As part of the vetting procedure for ownership, they are going to require you to have a BMI less than 25. That will keep the weight down.

[Griz]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

As part of the vetting procedure for ownership, they are going to require you to have a BMI less than 25. That will keep the weight down.

American market… looks like BMW will sell 3 CSLs.

[F85MTuNED]

This is very Interesting…🤔

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

What is this mention about February 2024 with a steptronic all about... ?

[RSXDC5]

Originally Posted by sittingmongoose

Almost guaranteed to be auto only. BMW has said multiple times they didn't want to/couldn't make a manual to handle that much power. Mostly down to how it would feel.

Even though the f80 manual transmission does it just fine…(oem power or tuned power)

[sittingmongoose]

Originally Posted by RSXDC5

Even though the f80 manual transmission does it just fine…(oem power or tuned power)

The f80 manual is limited to about 550tq until it starts failing. Most of the new cars are making that stock.

[RSXDC5]

Originally Posted by sittingmongoose

The f80 manual is limited to about 550tq until it starts failing. Most of the new cars are making that stock.

Lol no it's not, I'm pushing 5yrs now on near 600wtq. Never had a single issue with the transmission, the tranny is perfect and I track the car.

Please get facts straight before pushing misinformation.

[sittingmongoose]

Originally Posted by RSXDC5

Lol no it's not, I'm pushing 5yrs now on near 600wtq. Never had a single issue with the transmission, the tranny is perfect and I track the car.

Please get facts straight before pushing misinformation.

You have no trans mods? BMW won't make a car that puts out 550tq and a trans that can handle 600tq though. They over build there drive train like crazy. If you want to see how that plays out, hang out on the Ford forums.

One of their higher ups specifically said a few years ago, they are dropping the manual because the new engines make too much power. They don't like how the feel when they beef them up to handle a lot more power. The discussion was on the front page of this forum.

[nws-511]

Originally Posted by to_riffic

So what you're telling us is that RWD models, currently, are being sadbagged and can handle the power in stock form.

Eitherway, the CSL will be pretty damn epic.

Agreed, on all of your points you've made. But, I'm hoping it will be legendary, similar to the 2017 3.0 CSL show car at Pebble Beach.

[Griz]

Originally Posted by nws-511

Agreed, on all of your points you've made. But, I'm hoping it will be legendary, similar to the 2017 3.0 CSL show car at Pebble Beach.

Grill is too big.

[nws-511]

Originally Posted by Griz

Grill is too big.

No need to hide man. All things to all people.

I must admit though I wish the 2021 M4 I ordered looked similar to this. I do like the trim rings around the kidney grilles, which to my old eyes is reminiscent of older (classic) M series of cars. Who knows, maybe they will do something with this.

But I would say this, should this be the future M4 CSL, I shall buy this, not will, but I shall buy this.

Have fun !!

[EvenKeel]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

What about weight?

^^^ This. CSL has always been about lightweight. They'll be lucky to get it sub 3600lb; hardly deserving of the moniker.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by MistaVauros

Torque converter auto is DEF not where it's at. The ZF is a very good auto, but it still has noticeable lag in the shift speed and couple that with turbo lag and the overall experience is less than ideal. BMW copped out with that BS statement about the DCT not being able to handle high HP engines, blah, blah.

Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, Ford, and all the other exotic and hyper car manufacturers will never put a ZF in place of a dual clutch.

I won't disagree with choice being king, no arguments there.

Have you even driven a new m3/4 hard? One that's broken in?

[solstice]

Agree with many others here. Fast or hyper fast it better be light or is not a CSL. Period.
The CS can be anything trackable but a CSL that ain’t light is a shameful thing.

I’m really excited to hear more. Could be epic cars.

[MistaVauros]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Have you even driven a new m3/4 hard? One that's broken in?

I have an M5C, no need to drive either of those.

[Telly9987]

Has my attention.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by MistaVauros

I have an M5C, no need to drive either of those.

Yeah the m5c I drove around had super shitty trans response besides the 3-4 shift.

Maybe don't talk about things you don't have experience with.

[nws-511]

Originally Posted by EvenKeel

^^^ This. CSL has always been about lightweight. They'll be lucky to get it sub 3600lb; hardly deserving of the moniker.

Found this video last evening on You Tube. The M4 GT3 race car is approximately 2866 lbs. What ever they did for the GT3 race car can be applied to the CSL, albeit there needs to be some creature comforts. In theory it could get as low as 3300 to 3400 lbs.

[kyleb350]

Originally Posted by nws-511

Found this video last evening on You Tube. The M4 GT3 race car is approximately 2866 lbs. What ever they did for the GT3 race car can be applied to the CSL, albeit there needs to be some creature comforts. In theory it could get as low as 3300 to 3400 lbs.

You can't make the comparison to a stripped out race car. In theory it could get down to 3400 lbs., but it also can't cost $300k

[nws-511]

Originally Posted by kyleb350

You can't make the comparison to a stripped out race car. In theory it could get down to 3400 lbs., but it also can't cost $300k

Agreed on the $300K cost. However, the point I was hoping to convey is that what ever choices BMW made to reduce weight (example: Carbon fiber hood, trunk lid, less noise insulation, removing the rear seat, etc.) could be made to reduce weight for the M4 CSL. Consumer cost is another matter for M4 CSL. BMW would need to balance their cost target to the weight reduction goal for the consumer. Ultimately we'll find out what BMW has done to reduce weight and what neat features they'll incorporate for the M4 CSL.

[Griz]

Because 90% of the internet is stuff that’s copied and reposted somewhere else:

https://paultan.org/2021/07/26/g80-b...sl-on-the-way/

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by nws-511

Found this video last evening on You Tube. The M4 GT3 race car is approximately 2866 lbs. What ever they did for the GT3 race car can be applied to the CSL, albeit there needs to be some creature comforts. In theory it could get as low as 3300 to 3400 lbs.

There are so many differences between this GT3 car and the production car, most of which cannot be replicated on the street car

Not to mention the fact that the entire engine/drivetrain is different