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      05-11-2020, 08:43 PM   #67
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I am extremely hopeful. I just don't understand how BMWi can be so ridiculously slow to complete in the EV segment.
My guess is that none of the other German marques are ready to go in either - that is, they still think their core is still ICE.

My take is, until there is some significant shift in electric infrastructure, we won't see any of the German brands take a serious stance. Sure they will have models here and there, but it will feel like it wasn't a full effort.
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Nothing says that the M4GC would have to sell for more than the M4. For instance, BMW Canada is asking less for the M8GC than it does for M8 coupe...
And that's because they priced the 8er that way from the get go. We won't know until final details comes out, but I think the 4er Gran Coupe is going to remain the range topper for the 3/4er and if BMW decides to come out with a M4 Gran Coupe, it's going to carry the premium over the M3 and M4 Coupe.
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Wouldn't a m3 touring make more sense?
Would be sweet for the 5 guys that would actually buy one
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I am extremely hopeful. I just don't understand how BMWi can be so ridiculously slow to complete in the EV segment.
My guess is that none of the other German marques are ready to go in either - that is, they still think their core is still ICE.

My take is, until there is some significant shift in electric infrastructure, we won't see any of the German brands take a serious stance. Sure they will have models here and there, but it will feel like it wasn't a full effort.
When BMW continues to lose sales to Tesla they will eventually have to pull up all stops.

My understanding is BMW is the number 1 brand traded in for a new Tesla.

That's like getting kicked square in the nuts the way I see it.
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      05-11-2020, 08:58 PM   #71
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Wouldn't be surprised if BMW made an M4 Gran Coupe for this generation. SMH they have no idea what the hell they're doing.
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      05-11-2020, 09:10 PM   #72
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When BMW continues to lose sales to Tesla they will eventually have to pull up all stops.

My understanding is BMW is the number 1 brand traded in for a new Tesla.

That's like getting kicked square in the nuts the way I see it.
Their mentality might be that of one being cocky and I strongly feel that BMW, Audi and Mercedes all look at each other as each others competition. It doesn't matter what Tesla is doing as long as the other three aren't doing anything.

Long game, unless Tesla as a company can get to the manufacturing scale that BMW, Audi and Mercedes are at, it's only a matter of time before the German 3 fully go electric and when that time comes, there is zero doubt that the end product, in all aspects, will be better than Tesla. Pricing aside, we already seen what an EV can be and what we would expect with the Taycan, I'm sure all of them can do something quite similar with a lower price tag.
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When BMW continues to lose sales to Tesla they will eventually have to pull up all stops.

My understanding is BMW is the number 1 brand traded in for a new Tesla.

That's like getting kicked square in the nuts the way I see it.
Their mentality might be that of one being cocky and I strongly feel that BMW, Audi and Mercedes all look at each other as each others competition. It doesn't matter what Tesla is doing as long as the other three aren't doing anything.

Long game, unless Tesla as a company can get to the manufacturing scale that BMW, Audi and Mercedes are at, it's only a matter of time before the German 3 fully go electric and when that time comes, there is zero doubt that the end product, in all aspects, will be better than Tesla. Pricing aside, we already seen what an EV can be and what we would expect with the Taycan, I'm sure all of them can do something quite similar with a lower price tag.
Taycan is seriously limited by it's battery and the lack of CCS charging network to support it.

Tesla's major advantage is their battery factory's, as well as their worldwide supercharger network.
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      05-11-2020, 10:42 PM   #74
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If the GC really does account for 50% of sales of the 4 series, as the article states.
They’d be fools for not offering an M version
That’s basically doubling your sales in offering an M GC.
The sportback RS5 outsells the RS5 coupe as well
So the market is definitely there, wether BMW wants a piece of it or if it’s all Audi’s is the question.
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      05-11-2020, 11:31 PM   #75
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If the GC really does account for 50% of sales of the 4 series, as the article states.
They’d be fools for not offering an M version
That’s basically doubling your sales in offering an M GC.
The sportback RS5 outsells the RS5 coupe as well
So the market is definitely there, wether BMW wants a piece of it or if it’s all Audi’s is the question.
Being a hatchback it makes sense why it sells as well as it does.

Much more useable overall compared to the 3er sedan.
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      05-11-2020, 11:54 PM   #76
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I am sure they talking about the M performance variant of the new I4.

Same as the top 7 series will be full electric.

Since the new M GmbH full electric hyper car was cancelled, I am sure they will now focusing on the I4 Performance which will be the first M electric car instead.
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      05-12-2020, 01:37 AM   #77
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I don't think BMW would release the M4 GC for this generation, M3 has been strong for the 4 doors segment and it would not make sense to have another 4 doors to compete with M3.
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BMW is putting an "M" on every car it seems...
Why bother with the BMW rondel?

From now on it's "M, formerly known as BMW"

... and the hood ornament can be replaced too.
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Am I missing something?

M4 GC ~= M3

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You're missing the fact that the styling between the m4 gc and m3 will be much different. Just because two models have 4 doors doesn't make them the same.
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I can see an opening for M4 Gran Coupe but I do not believe they are committed to anything yet for inclusion.

However with things as the are. The Performance i4 could feature an M badge, allowing the first electric M model as well as the first M variant of the 4er Gran Coupe.
Ah so basically wait for the i4M instead of the regular i4.

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Being a hatchback it makes sense why it sells as well as it does.

Much more useable overall compared to the 3er sedan.
In my experience with owning a 3er and 4gc from the f* generation, the gc drives differently and has a feel that is generally different from the 3 series. Those who were in the market for a 3 series and didn't at least test drive a gc, did themselves a disservice.
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Wouldn't an M3 touring make more sense?
No. It would be another boxy looking people hauler, and I don't like boxy looking people haulers. That segment is already overflowing with plenty of different nicely designed models anyway.
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You're missing the fact that the styling between the m4 gc and m3 will be much different. Just because two models are 4 doors doesn't make them the same.
Yes because that's totally what BMW realllly needs.

Forget a touring edition amiright?
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If the GC really does account for 50% of sales of the 4 series, as the article states.
They'd be fools for not offering an M version
That's basically doubling your sales in offering an M GC.
The sportback RS5 outsells the RS5 coupe as well
So the market is definitely there, wether BMW wants a piece of it or if it's all Audi's is the question.
Don't think BMW is really following Audi...

Audi is selling a lot of RS4 & RS6 tourings in Europe, and BMW has nothing to offer there and stoped the M5 touring quite a while ago...

Personally I think we won't see the M4 GC, this part will be taken over by the i4 (performance)
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If the GC really does account for 50% of sales of the 4 series, as the article states.
TheyÂ’d be fools for not offering an M version
ThatÂ’s basically doubling your sales in offering an M GC.
It actually isn't this straightforward since some 4 GC sales are the result of cannibalization from the 3 Series. Also, an M4 GC isn't a "free" product for BMW - there would be additional costs due to unique parts, plus testing and so forth. Finally there are other less tangible considerations such as the effect that potentially lower M3 sales would have on the M brand and the effect on the halo potential for the dual motor i4. No doubt BMW has a formula for all of this, knows the "break even" point, and has determined that the business case for an M4 GC has not been strong enough to give it the green-light thus far. However, that could change in the future.

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The sportback RS5 outsells the RS5 coupe as well
So the market is definitely there, wether BMW wants a piece of it or if itÂ’s all AudiÂ’s is the question.
There is no RS4 sedan so Audi is dealing with a different set of parameters.

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Ah so basically wait for the i4M instead of the regular i4.

Goch ya!
That's not what he said at all.

He was talking about branding the already-known-to-be-coming flagship 520hp dual-motor i4 as an M product. This vehicle will be available from launch of the i4.
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