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      01-12-2021, 09:46 AM   #89
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Love that he's like 'check out these dope front brakes!'
um...what about rear brakes?
my thoughts exactly. When he said that I was like hmmm I wonder if they will show the rear brakes.

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For reference and to compare apples-to-apples, Auto Motor und Sport weighed their 2014 6MT M4 test vehicle at 1,592kg, which translates to a 82kg / 181lb weight increase 6MT to 6MT.


https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...hnische-daten/
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I understand that weight gaining is never a good thing, but it's also not necessarily the ultimate crucifix either. My main concern was the 300-400 lbs gain weight that we were made to believe which as we've seen now is considerably less. Keep in mind this car will have an even stronger engine with even better power delivery, oh yeah and better brakes and room for more tire. As was clearly stated, with Cup tires this car will be faster than the M4GTS, now it's just a matter of how much faster and with what kind of driver feedback.

To put things in context, a Camaro 1LE which is touted as one of the best drivers cars not only weighs about as much as the G8X but also has less horsepower. I only bring this up because again weight is perhaps one of the most important factors in a sports car equation but at the same time it's also not the only and ultimate.

I will reserve judgement and stay tuned for the rest of the chapters in this multi series release, but all I can say is at this point I'm pleasantly surprised. Hopefully one of the next chapters will address the track performance.
Just ignore lots of the criticism of the G8X. It's coming from whiny whiners who spend their day whining.

First the weight gain appears to be 400lb and everyone rallies against that.
Now it turns out the weight gain is much smaller, 152lb worse case, 66lb best case.
And yet still, the hate fest continues

You may think it's specific to the G8X, but it isn't, it's to everything BMW does.
When the M2 CS came out there were infinite hate for it. Why would anyone get this instead of a Porsche GT4, blah blah blah. 'For this money I'd go PCar'
Then the price came out, cheaper than the GT4. Still, no respite from the hate
EVO mag chose it as their COTY for 2020... do you think that made any difference?
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For reference and to compare apples-to-apples, Auto Motor und Sport weighed their 2014 6MT M4 test vehicle at 1,592kg, which translates to a 82kg / 181lb weight increase 6MT to 6MT.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...hnische-daten/
I got the M3 in manual with CF Buckets. That will weight 1674 kilos.

My M3 CS weighs 1,588 kilos (correct?), so my increase will be 86 kilos (or 189.2 pounds). That correct? Just want to make sure I am doing the same apples to apples comparison.
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BMW should have been more transparent with all of the technical info from the onset of the G8X release. Too little, too late. They now seem to be in catch up mode, which is usually not a good place to be.
It certainly will hurt their initial sales out of the gate among the people who pay attention to such things.
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Also something that no one really thinks about ... the base M3 / M4 is *not* widely available in other markets... AFAIK it's only for the US and Germany, so most of the point is moot for 90% (99% ?) of the marketed countries will only have the competition version car available...
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I got the M3 in manual with CF Buckets. That will weight 1674 kilos.

My M3 CS weighs 1,588 kilos (correct?), so my increase will be 86 kilos (or 189.2 pounds). That correct? Just want to make sure I am doing the same apples to apples comparison.
I doubt your M3cs is that light. I have not seen any official weighing of an M3cs, but the M4cs weighs 1,600~1,630kg depending on options and we know the M3cs is heavier than the M4cs by 20~40kg (added weight of the 4-door chassis and less weight reduction).

As for a G8X, it's all speculation. We don't know how the car in the OP is specced. Specced equivalently, you already need to assume +5kg for the G80 over the G82, so 1,679kg. So we can estimate your G80 to be ~35kg/80lb heavier than your M3cs.

Again, being very speculative here...
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It certainly will hurt their initial sales out of the gate among the people who pay attention to such things.
I was speaking for myself. It caused me to jump ship...
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I got the M3 in manual with CF Buckets. That will weight 1674 kilos.

My M3 CS weighs 1,588 kilos (correct?), so my increase will be 86 kilos (or 189.2 pounds). That correct? Just want to make sure I am doing the same apples to apples comparison.
Take a look at what I posted in the previous page.

F80 CS weights are pretty similar unless you had the ceramics. So let's assume yours weighs the same as mine: 3657lb

Your G80 6MT with CF buckets weighs 3701lb.

The weight gain is 44lb, or just under 20kg
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I was speaking for myself. It caused me to jump ship...
I know, I was referencing you (as well as 3 others who are jumping ship that I know in person).
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It certainly will hurt their initial sales out of the gate among the people who pay attention to such things.
I doubt it made the slightest difference.

Lots of BMW M owners are closet P car fanatics who are saving their pennies to buy 'a Porsche'. Those people were thinking of getting a P car long before the pics and weight were released.

But good riddance I say. I hope they all leave this forum and go to rennlist.
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Take a look at what I posted in the previous page.

F80 CS weights are pretty similar unless you had the ceramics. So let's assume yours weighs the same as mine: 3657lb

Your G80 6MT with CF buckets weighs 3701lb.

The weight gain is 44lb, or just under 20kg
Appreciate your response. So basically my weight gain will only be slightly more than a trip to Chipotle or Peter Luger's Steakhouse.
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      01-12-2021, 10:35 AM   #100
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Still a misleading comparison, which continues to cast a shadow for the sceptics.

BMW should have been more transparent with all of the technical info from the onset of the G8X release. Too little, too late. They now seem to be in catch up mode, which is usually not a good place to be.

See what they gave us for the F8X:
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 1): The new M Servotronic.
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 2): The Brake Systems.
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 3): The new engine.
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 4): Sound and Exhuast System.
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 5): smartly light, rigid, precise.
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 6): The new chassis.
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 7): The Active M differential.
Do you want Pre-Covid access to a car during COVID? Right!
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How many lbs do you guys think CF seats, ceramic brakes, and forged wheels will save? (Each item individually if you guys know- I think they said 10kg for the seats).

Here's my goal- If I can get an AWD Comp ZAF to be with as little tech and leather options as possible, and with the above options- do you think I can get it to be approx 3,800 lbs curb weight?
A G82 competition specced like the car in this video should be 3741 lbs adding BMWs numbers of weight delta base to comp. Add ~120 lbs for AWD and you are at 3860 lbs. You can maybe shave off another 10 lbs or so making 3850 possible but I think 3800 flat is going to be tough.

At least 3850 would keep a 500 lbs gap to the M5...
No way the delta to M5 is 500 lbs, rather 200 lbs

Official bmw site states M4 Comp at 1800kg and M5 Comp at 1970 kg and there you are at 375 lbs.
Add another 65 kg for the awd on M4 (as per 4 series with/without xdrive), and there you are only 200 lbs less than the M5
Dude. The M5 does not only weigh 200 lbs more than the upcoming M3. You'd have to be pretty nuts to think that. This is coming from someone who owns an F90 and F80, with an upcoming G80
Oh yeah, it does, read again what I wrote, took the numbers from the bmw website . M4 is 1800 kg on bnw website, M5 is 1970 kg on bmw website. Add another 65 kg for the awd on the M4 and the difference is 105 kg between the M4 and M5. Bmw says this

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This has nothing to do with COVID. BMW have access to all that information. It’s for them to publish/market it.
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It really is bizarre. I have an inside source, and you can choose to believe him or not but he's been the source of a lot of the pictures that we saw and a lot of the early details, who said the reason why they haven't done big driving reviews with real car reviewers is because of Covid. The second lockdown really screwed them up. However, they easily could've released this video the day of the reveal or at the very least in the subsequent week.
So youíre assuming this video was completed during the time of the release.
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Fully agree. The F80 was a technical and engineering leap over the prior car and that was the marketing. You can argue if all of that engineering lost something in the process.

This go around we have a reworked engine that has been in an SUV for 2 years, grills, carbon seats, blue seats, a skittles bag of exterior colors.

Feels like the marketeers were in charge of this one and that is why the substance is not being shared.

I might sign up again because of AWD and wanting something I can drive year round with two little ones in the back.
Technical and engineering leap? Over a Naturally aspirated V8. Laughable.
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So youíre assuming this video was completed during the time of the release.
No, because they are back peddling. The point is that they could have made that video at the time of release.
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Technical and engineering leap? Over a Naturally aspirated V8. Laughable.
It’s lighter, more powerful, significantly faster and more enjoyable to drive on track. So I have to say yes it is.
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This has nothing to do with COVID. BMW have access to all that information. Itís for them to publish/market it.
What are you talking about nothing to do with COVID? Your lust for information has nothing to do with the safety of their workers. The plants in Germany were closed due to lock downs. More than enough time to get information out there.
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That's a new one, a turbo I-6 preferred over a high revving sonorous NA V8, anyhow this is just an opinion.
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