[THEROK]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Still a misleading comparison, which continues to cast a shadow for the sceptics.

BMW should have been more transparent with all of the technical info from the onset of the G8X release. Too little, too late. They now seem to be in catch up mode, which is usually not a good place to be.

See what they gave us for the F8X:
[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 1): The new M Servotronic.
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 2): The Brake Systems.
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 3): The new engine.
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 4): Sound and Exhuast System.
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 5): smartly light, rigid, precise.
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 6): The new chassis.
BMW M3 and BMW M4 Inside (part 7): The Active M differential.[/COLOR]

F8X makes you want to reward the hard work of talented automotive engineers.

The G8X directs you to KITH's ig profile to peruse sweat shop produced goods.

SMFH

[whatnotsomuchf80]

Originally Posted by solstice

A G82 competition specced like the car in this video should be 3741 lbs adding BMWs numbers of weight delta base to comp. Add ~120 lbs for AWD and you are at 3860 lbs. You can maybe shave off another 10 lbs or so making 3850 possible but I think 3800 flat is going to be tough.

At least 3850 would keep a 500 lbs gap to the M5...

Now someone just needs to get into those ECU's....

[stevehifi]

It's obvious the new m3/m4 is no longer a lightweight sports sedan/coupe and it's turned into a big GT car m5/m6. The dimensions are just that much bigger.

You'll have to wait for the new m2 for a true lightweight option and a shorter nimble wheelbase.

[Bumpinjeep]

Love that he's like 'check out these dope front brakes!'
um...what about rear brakes?

[ghaffari46]

those of us who old enough to drive a bmw E30 understand that you can not bring the joy of driving to a heavy car by adding more horse power. This is pure physics.
I have more fun daily driving my1400 kg anemic 360 horsepower i8 than my gazillion horsepower 2 tons M5.
The art is making a light car with a good steering feels and reasonable horse power. I think Bmw nailed this with the 2 series.
The rest of the lineup is pretty much are like other competitors,
Having said that I'm itching to drive new M4

[MPoweRo]

The style of this video is straight out of 1990's high school education. For some reason I love it.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by MPoweRo

The style of this video is straight out of 1990's high school education. For some reason I love it.

Lol, I’m just disappointed he isn’t wearing a white lab coat

[Ragged Edge]

Originally Posted by stevehifi

It's obvious the new m3/m4 is no longer a lightweight sports sedan/coupe and it's turned into a big GT car m5/m6. The dimensions are just that much bigger.

You'll have to wait for the new m2 for a true lightweight option and a shorter nimble wheelbase.

BMW will not spend more money on lightweight parts for the cheaper/lower end M2. The current M2 is heavier than the F8x (with less power), so it doesn't make sense to think the future will be different.

[thaalrasha]

Also something that no one really thinks about ... the base M3 / M4 is *not* widely available in other markets... AFAIK it's only for the US and Germany, so most of the point is moot for 90% (99% ?) of the marketed countries will only have the competition version car available...

[chris719]

Originally Posted by MPoweRo

The style of this video is straight out of 1990's high school education. For some reason I love it.

It would be so much better with just subtitles and no American radio voice dubbed over.

There is a certain charm to the potato quality and vertical recording. It looks like it was recorded by an 8 year old Android phone with a dirty lens.

The weight gain is really not that bad.

[brava09]

Originally Posted by solstice

A G82 competition specced like the car in this video should be 3741 lbs adding BMWs numbers of weight delta base to comp. Add ~120 lbs for AWD and you are at 3860 lbs. You can maybe shave off another 10 lbs or so making 3850 possible but I think 3800 flat is going to be tough.

At least 3850 would keep a 500 lbs gap to the M5...

No way the delta to M5 is 500 lbs, rather 200 lbs

Official bmw site states M4 Comp at 1800kg and M5 Comp at 1970 kg and there you are at 375 lbs.
Add another 65 kg for the awd on M4 (as per 4 series with/without xdrive), and there you are only 200 lbs less than the M5

[rhyary]

Performance?
In a straight line HP can compensate for weight.
Can it do a better lap time on technical course (one with turns)?

This is the issue for the added weight.

define performance before comparing performance.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by KoenG

Happy to see that after all these dragonball teenage crap videos, M is finally willing to go into the real important stuff. Nevertheless, very suspicious when you see the extended time it took them to come up with this, while this had to be a clip at launch time and that they compare different specced vehicles. What are they hiding?

A second elephant in the room remains the turbo threshold <2700rpm, maybe they will release a clip about this within a couple of weeks?

It really is bizarre. I have an inside source, and you can choose to believe him or not but he's been the source of a lot of the pictures that we saw and a lot of the early details, who said the reason why they haven't done big driving reviews with real car reviewers is because of Covid. The second lockdown really screwed them up. However, they easily could've released this video the day of the reveal or at the very least in the subsequent week.

[Kankles]

Here piggy piggy

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by rhyary

Performance?
In a straight line HP can compensate for weight.
Can it do a better lap time on technical course (one with turns)?

This is the issue for the added weight.

define performance before comparing performance.

G82 M4 test drive review by Sport Auto https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1744192

[shamun160]

Originally Posted by THEROK

F8X makes you want to reward the hard work of talented automotive engineers.

The G8X directs you to KITH's ig profile to peruse sweat shop produced goods.

SMFH

Fully agree. The F80 was a technical and engineering leap over the prior car and that was the marketing. You can argue if all of that engineering lost something in the process.

This go around we have a reworked engine that has been in an SUV for 2 years, grills, carbon seats, blue seats, a skittles bag of exterior colors.

Feels like the marketeers were in charge of this one and that is why the substance is not being shared.

I might sign up again because of AWD and wanting something I can drive year round with two little ones in the back.

[SYT_Shadow]

Finally, all has been revealed. This makes more sense now. It was simply not possible that it was gaining 400lb apples to apples

DIN weights have been available for some time, so we have all the deltas between G80 vs G82, 6MT vs 8AT
We also know the weight delta of CF seats vs regular seats: 10kg, 22lb

Per the video, in LB
F82 DCT full tank: 3615
G82 6MT full tank + CF seats: 3689
G82 6MT full tank + regular seats: 3712
G82 ZCP + CF seats: 3745
G82 ZCP + regular seats: 3767

The most apples to apples comparison is the F82 DCT vs the G82 ZCP with regular seats. 152lb weight gain. This isn't good, but it's half of what I expected.

If you consider that now you can oem source the nice CF seats


I have an F80 CS which I've weighed with a full tank at 3657lb
G80 6MT full tank + CF seats: 3701
G80 6MT full tank + regular seats: 3723
G80 ZCP + CF seats: 3756
G80 ZCP + regular seats: 3778

So, apples to apples, F80 CS to G80 ZCP= 121 with regular seats and 99 with CF seats


Some more data, power/weight
My F80 CS DCT: 8.06lb/hp
G80 6MT regular seats: 7.87lb/hp
G80 ZCP regular seats: 7.51lb/hp


edit: data updated as my F80 CS full tank was 3657. The 3610 number was normalized to half a tank of gas, which isn't what we're comparing against here

[whatnotsomuchf80]

Originally Posted by brava09

No way the delta to M5 is 500 lbs, rather 200 lbs

Official bmw site states M4 Comp at 1800kg and M5 Comp at 1970 kg and there you are at 375 lbs.
Add another 65 kg for the awd on M4 (as per 4 series with/without xdrive), and there you are only 200 lbs less than the M5

Dude. The M5 does not only weigh 200 lbs more than the upcoming M3. You'd have to be pretty nuts to think that. This is coming from someone who owns an F90 and F80, with an upcoming G80

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by THEROK

The G8X directs you to KITH's ig profile to peruse sweat shop produced goods.

SMFH

a $250 hoodie comes to mind.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by irunalot

This video looks like a hedge against the internet calling it fat.

Take a look at the youtube comments. Relentless.

[PLF69]

I tried finding the weight of the new wheel models, are they available yet ?

[erictrainer]

I understand that weight gaining is never a good thing, but it's also not necessarily the ultimate crucifix either. My main concern was the 300-400 lbs gain weight that we were made to believe which as we've seen now is considerably less. Keep in mind this car will have an even stronger engine with even better power delivery, oh yeah and better brakes and room for more tire. As was clearly stated, with Cup tires this car will be faster than the M4GTS, now it's just a matter of how much faster and with what kind of driver feedback.

To put things in context, a Camaro 1LE which is touted as one of the best drivers cars not only weighs about as much as the G8X but also has less horsepower. I only bring this up because again weight is perhaps one of the most important factors in a sports car equation but at the same time it's also not the only and ultimate.

I will reserve judgement and stay tuned for the rest of the chapters in this multi series release, but all I can say is at this point I'm pleasantly surprised. Hopefully one of the next chapters will address the track performance.